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New to sections[edit]

Just started this but I need a little more time.--Rockero 04:17, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Is there anyway you would agree to remove the word bandit from the article? Also is there really a need to put this under the American outlaw category? Gregorio Cortez's contributions to civil rights and American society can always be argued, and far too much of his story is mere legend, but I really doubt he was ever a criminal. The word "bandit" just seems to be brought up far too many times in articles concerning "bad" mexican americans. Great job on everything else though.Mosquito-001 00:25, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think a preferable option would be to write the social bandit article, which would explain how conquered people are marginalized legally, basically making any action on their part in their favor an illegal act, and that many social bandits become folk heroes as symbols of resistance. Then we could link to that article instead of Outlaw#bandit. How are you Mosquito?--Rockero 08:23, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This article should mention the Bob Marley song.

Am I missing something? I have read the "incident" section several times in two days and for the life of me I can not see why the sheriff needed to open fire. Could not figure it out in the movie either. Is it me, or is that section very unclear? Jm546 (talk) 02:56, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

the incident[edit]

In this section, I'm confused. It says "in which Cortez was supposedly asked if he had recently acquired a caballo, or a stallion, and Cortez answered he had acquired a yegua, or a mare, a word which the deputy did not understand." However, both Romaldo and Gregorio were there. Whom did the deputy ask? We should clarify.(Kirin-rex (talk) 00:45, 12 January 2011 (UTC))[reply]

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SPAN 322 Plan of Revision[edit]

Hello Wikipedia, I'm working on revamping this page for a Chicano Literature course at UBC.

Gregorio Cortez Information Box: Add more detail in general. Me and my group have found a supposed picture of Cortez, we will add it if it is legal.

Background Ideas: Give names to parents, family, and any other key characters. Reference Valeriano, Gregorio's son, from "With His Pistol in His Hand" as he gives detail insight to the background of Cortez. More information needed on Gregorio rather than Tómas.

Create another subheading: Background of Political and Social climate of the Border. With this section, we could discuss the landscape, both physically and societally, of life on the border. Could be very important to give readers insight of society that created Gregorio Cortez. Negative beliefs about both groups (Texas Rangers and Mexicans).

The Incident details: Need more description of the event. Take ideas from "With His Pistol in His Hand" and do further research. Also include newspaper reports at the time. ALSO DO NOT AMALGAMATE THE TWO INCIDENTS

Create Subheading: The Battle of Belmont. Include this important battle. Give information from newspapers, reporters, courts, and the officers themselves to give all point of views.

BREAK UP FLIGHT AND CAPTURE into 2 separate subheadings.

Cortez's Flight: Talk about tactics used by Cortez, the number of horses used by him, and the area that he covered.

The Capture Of Gregorio Cortez: Talk about El Teco, the man who told the police of his whereabouts. Talk about different opinions and point of views about the capture.

Add Subheading: Court Proceedings: Talk of money raised by people. Support of both Mexican and American citizens. Give examples of court reports, newspapers, and the problem of translation by the officers.

Prison and Pardon: Talk about Cortez's time in prison; how long he spent there, where they moved him, and his experience/behaviour in the prison system. Also, discuss his pardoning. Give information about the Governer and the beliefs surrounding him.

Post-prison life and Death: Give more information about his efforts in the Mexican Revolution. Also, clarify the cause of death. Talk about how long it supposedly killed him, and do not say that he definitely DID die from poisoning.

Add Subheading: Legacy and Inspiration amongst the Border Mexican community: Talk of how his life inspired Mexicans and what important parts of his life transformed into El Corrido de Gregorio Cortez.

The Legend: Use "With His Pistol in His Hand" and information from the many verses of the border ballad to give insight into how the legend was created and transformed over time. Talk about him representing the average Mexican man, speak of the importance of the sorrel mare, and address the significance of him defending his right with his pistol in his hand.

In Song, Literature, and Film: Describe the songs, literature, and films in more detail. Talk about what they got right and what they got wrong. Talk about the important points each piece of art highlights and discuss how and why these works changed even in the slightest.

Add more references as we go. Pechodor13 and maymolina contributed to this revision plan.

OVERALL CLEAN UP THE PAGE, CLARIFY ERRORS, AND ADD MORE DETAIL TO THE STORY AND LEGEND OF GREGORIO CORTEZ. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chr66 (talkcontribs) 23:59, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

SPAN 322 GROUP CONVERSATION[edit]

Hey, this is our conversation area for any questions or concerns regarding the article. Looking forward to fixing this article up!

Ideas of references SPAN 322[edit]

History of the region

Valerio-Jiménez, O. S., & e-Duke Books Scholarly Collection 2012. (2013;2012;). River of hope: Forging identity and nation in the rio grande borderlands. Durham, NC: Duke University Press. (Chapter 4 and 6)

Alonzo, A. C. (1998). Tejano legacy: Rancheros and settlers in south texas, 1734-1900 (1st ed.). Albuquerque: University of New Mexico Press.(Chapter 4).

Levario, M. A., & Project Muse University Press eBooks. (2012). Militarizing the border: When mexicans became the enemy (1st ed.). College Station: Texas A&M University Press. (Chapter 1)

History of the Cortez's family

Alvear, C. L. (2006). Crossing country and county borders: The cortez family's movement north from northern mexico to south and central texas, 1851–1901

About the Movie

Sunness, S., & YOUNG, R. (1984). The ballad of gregorio cortez: AN INTERVIEW WITH ROBERT YOUNG. Cinéaste, 13(4), 39-40.

Sunness, S. (1984). the ballad of gregorio cortez. Cinéaste, 13(4), 39.

Elitzik, P. (1984). The ballad of gregorio cortez. New York: Cineaste Publishers, Inc.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Pechodor13 (talkcontribs) 08:25, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply] 

Reverted undiscussed deletion[edit]

I reverted this large-scale deletion by User:Bhockey10, as it seems to me rather brusque to say simply that it is "fluff." Please discuss such drastic changes here. Thanks! --jbmurray (talkcontribs) 00:01, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Jbmurray:, Thanks for reaching out, as stated on my talk page, the RV was part of WP:BRD and not done in bad spirit. with large sections lacking citations/ref also per WP:VER Any material that needs a source but does not have one may be removed. My edit summary of rving "fluff" is a shortform reference to WP:OFFTOPIC and WP:UNDUE. It also include more than suffiecient context stating "removed extensive fluff and info outside of the biographical subject of the article." The Background section was devoid of any mention of the biographical subject and also covered in separate articles such as History of the Texas Ranger Division, History of Texas, Texas-American relations, and others. The background section could be briefly recapped in a properly cited sentence or short paragraph with proper Wikilinks in the “Early Life” section to help establish the era, but a full historical review of geo-political climate in the 50 years before the life Gregorio Cortez is entirely outside the scope of this particular article. WP:BIOGRAPHY, WP:MOSBIO and WP:BIODD are clear on the issue and how biographical articles should be structured. Essentially it breaks down to a chronologically organized article on the biographical subject. For more influential people, a legacy, in pop culture, or other similar section postmortem impact is appropriate. In addition this article suffers from multiple issues related to WP:NOTESSAY- the current version of the article is largely structured in academic essay format with poor sourcing, WP:NPOV issues, poor inline cites/WP:VER, possible WP:OR, etc...--Bhockey10 (talk) 00:53, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, this is helpful. I also think there are parts later that have too much detail. But I do think a bit of background is useful, if perhaps integrated differently into the article. As I say, however, this is a work in progress. Your comments are very helpful: the more specific and concrete, the better, as students continue to revise the article. --jbmurray (talkcontribs) 18:48, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi All, as of the current revision (945253803), The background section looks much better than it did 24 hours ago. Thank you all for the hard work on the adjustments! I still think that to better follow the Biography format (WP:BIOGRAPHY, WP:MOSBIO and WP:BIODD); it could be reduced further and better incorporated into the Early Life section. Something like: "Gregorio Cortez was born during a dynamic time in which... [then get into a brief recap of the regional geopolitical issues during the years of his birth and early life.]" In particular, the first paragraph going over Texas-Mexico history back into the 1820s is still a bit WP:Undue and also Essay-like (WP:NOTESSAY), a common issue noted in WP:STUDENTS: "Wikipedia has its own core content policies, style, and editing structure. The traditional writing assignment of the essay (with its necessary point of view) is not suited for publication here because our encyclopedic style requires a neutral point of view."
Many thanks for these helpful comments. --jbmurray (talkcontribs) 20:29, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Review notes[edit]

Just a note to say that per a request from jbmurray I'll be posting some review comments in this section. I'll review the article with an eye to what a GA reviewer would say, and if I go beyond what is needed for GA I'll try to make that clear in the comments. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 21:03, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'll start with the body, and do the lead last. This will be in fragments as I am likely to be interrupted this evening. The requirement for prose quality at GA is "the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct", which means that if I think the way you've written something could be improved, I won't say so unless there's something definitely wrong or I think I reader could misunderstand it.

-- I'll stop there for now; let me know if anything is unclear. Feel free to post responses or disagreements in between the bullets above if you like. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 00:50, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Gregorio Cortez/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 11:08, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:08, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'll add notes as I go through the article; it might take me a couple of days to finish. Note that the tag at the top indicating that the article is being expanded will have to be gone before I can pass the article.

-- That's everything up to the Trials section; I'll post comments on the second half of the article probably tonight. Generally the sources look solid and the basic material is here; there's a little reorganization needed, and some clarifications, but this is not far off GA from what I've read so far. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:59, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

More, starting with the Trials section:

-- That's it for a first pass. I've placed the nomination on hold to give you time to make the fixes. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 21:38, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi -- I see y'all are working on the article; let me know when you want me to take another look. If you want, you can post a note under each point above when you think it's dealt with, so I can follow along and strike out the issues as you go; or you can wait till you think everything is done and let me know then. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:05, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

-- Hi Mike Christie. We believe we have made all the necessary edits for the GA nomination. Thank you for all your hard work and helping us understand how to improve this article. We appreciate it. Take care. Chr66 (talk) 23:48, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Second pass

I've struck out everything above that was obviously fixed, but since it's changed so much, rather than go through the above points line-by-line I'm just going to read it again and make notes below, so you can ignore the unstruck points above. It's definitely much improved. Incidentally, if I ask a question like "What does Bandit Gang" refer to?", you don't have to just edit the article to fix what you feel the problem is, you can also reply here to explain what the intention was. If you're in any doubt about what I'm driving at that might be the most productive thing to do. Usually I'll reply within 24 hours.

That's everything -- the article is much improved and is now pretty close to GA status. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:07, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jon, do you know if your students plan to make another pass at this? Or is the semester over? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:16, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure the semester will be over now, so I'm going to fail this; I'll start another review if any of the students want to continue working on it. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 17:25, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]