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This conversation page does not show it, but the idea is to reply or start a conversation at the bottom. (There could be some advanced mechanism to jump to the end but hey, this is not dna powered technology)
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83.163.143.216 (talk) 07:54, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Top conversation is year 2003, bottom 2015
From the brief intro I read for H2G2, it sounds like it gives authors the ability to create a fictional future by writing an encyclopedia. That sounds like fun. I'd love to set something up like that, where users can post about future events and technologies. I can't provide such computers for that.
For those who are interested, I have posted a reply to the H2G2 article/discussion about Wikipedia here --Eloquence 16:48 Jan 6, 2003 (UTC)
That's an unstable link. A link to a h2g2 conversation which ends in latest=1 simply shows you the last page of the conversation (with 20 posts to a page). If many more posts get added to that conversation the link will point to somewhere else. (This is, admittedly, unlikely to happen. It's a Peer Review conversation for an article which has now been accepted into the Edited Guide, so there's little more to say about it. But the principle remains.) You're better off to mess about with the skip and show fields, so, try this. TRiG.87.232.43.104 16:11, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Should the bits in here about various volunteer schemes, clubs, etc link externally to relevant h2g2 pages? GTBacchus
In a recent Slashdot story, an anonymous user remarked the following:
No, you're not the only one. They have a ridiculous position on word censorship, choosing to st*r most of the letters out if someone might find it offensive. I mean, what the fuck? It's not as if you can't discern what the word actually is.
Also, if the BBC is maintaining media silence on a topic and you post on it, your post will be deleted. This happened recently on a "what music are you listening to?" thread - someone posted that they were listening to something by the Who. And because Pete Townsend was in the news recently as a suspected paedophile, the post got removed - it wasn't even talking about the case! Same with John Leslie a while ago for those rape allegations. *Everything* mentioning his name was removed.
Can a H2G2 regular verify these claims? If they are true, the information should be added to the article. --Eloquence 16:30 Jan 22, 2003 (UTC)
Ok, I did some checking. There's one big 'What Music are you Listening to?' thread, that's been going on for years. The last time someone posted there that they were listening to The Who was over a week ago. See posts #6414 and 6417 on this page. I asked about any postings having been hidden in post #6590, and received an answer in #6593 on this page. Quoting the reply I got:
GTB, it is possible that a post was yikesed for mentioning the Who. The italics contacted the ACEs over the weekend when the allegations about Pete Townshend were first reported, asking us to look out for anything that could be construed as defamation. Quite a few posts were pulled as a result.
Well, if any posts were pulled from the "what music?" thread, they were put back pretty quickly, because there are none missing from the last week. -GTBacchus 21:56 Jan 22, 2003 (UTC)
OK, I'll try to add something about moderation once the wiki is a bit more responsive again. --Eloquence 22:11 Jan 22, 2003 (UTC)
I'm suprised no-ones mentioned the current situation with moderation. All posts about Iraq are being hidden, this has caused a lot of outrage, and a petition with quite a few signees. -- Tango
TRiG.87.232.43.104 16:11, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
I'll add that the filter has two lists of words it checks. Words on list one are blocked, and postings containing these words cannot be posted. Entries containing these words still stand, but cannot be edited unless the words are removed. (Postings can't be edited anyway.) Words on list two are not blocked, but posts containing these words are automatically referred to the moderators as soon as they're posted. I would guess that Townsend was added to that second list while he was in the news, so any post containing his name would have been automatically hidden until it had been reviewed by a moderator. Nothing sinister. Similarly, names of British political parties are added to that second list at election times.
TRiG (talk) 17:42, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to include a photo or two of an h2g2 meetup - if anyone has a suitable photo they wouldn't mind putting under the GFDL, speak up :)
Should this article be renamed 'h2g2' - ie, with the letters in lower case? Every single reference in the article has the name appearing in that format. I notice also that the h2g2 website itself always uses the lower case in titles, etc. R Lowry 20:32, 1 Aug 2003 (UTC)
The Editors list is now out of date (Anna has left), and I'd prefer that my name was removed from the list please. I'm identifiable from my first name alone online, and I'm careful who I tell that I work on h2g2. Can you tweak it so I'm disguised or something? I don't want to identify myself here easily either, but MyRedDice once stayed overnight in my house before I was an Editor, so that should give him a clue.
And as a matter of being perfectly correct, Plain wasn't designed for the digibox users. A bug was about to be fixed that meant that the digibox users couldn't use conversations once they got to a certain amount of postings, so we were trying to sort something out. We happened to find out that Jim was doing the new skin, and asked him to upload it so that it could be used, which is why it's unfinished and unofficial. As it happens, I think the bug reverted again, it's done that a couple of times I think.
I know that the idea of this site is that anyone can do corrections, but I can't bring myself to do that. If the changes aren't going to be welcome, and will be changed back, it seems a bit pointless.
I hope that I've done this right, I nearly posted it in the middle of someone else's comment.
If h2g2 has reduced its support staff (ie, the Italics team) from six to two, there obviously isn't much point in bothering with an Italics list anymore. Therefore I've removed it altogether from the above discussion. R Lowry 05:13, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I've put the UnderGuide section in with the parts about Peer Review and so forth, rather than Community, because I thought it ought to be nearer the AWW. On the other hand, I'm not sure if it should be considered part of the "Editing Process" - maybe the heading needs changing, or splitting? - IMSoP
I just removed this from the article:
In fact, one of the most frequent jobs of the curators is to remove this section from older Entries. They're put in as references instead now (along with other links: links to h2g2 Edited Entries, the BBC, and External websites can all go in the appropriate place in the text or in the references section, and all links, whether they appear in the text or not, appear in the sidebar, automatically divided into the three sections mentioned (See, for example A653230 The Big Bang.)). And usually the Researcher does it himself. Or the Sub-editor can add it [1].
TRiG.87.232.43.104 22:22, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
It seems Anthony DiPierro has removed the link to the introduction for h2g2 Researchers without so much as an edit summary. Personally, I think this was a perfectly valid inclusion, since it's more than likely that a seasoned hootooite coming upon Wikipedia will both think to look up h2g2 and wonder about where the projects differ. I won't revert instantly, in case Anthony makes a decent case for the removal, but I reckon it should stay. - IMSoP 18:42, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Spoiler warnings and NPOV disputes are part of the mediawiki namespace. Self-references in the mediawiki namespace are acceptable. Furthermore, neither the spoiler warnings nor the NPOV messages reference Wikipedia by name. They link to Wikipedia namespace, but this can easily be changed in forks by two simple edits to the mediawiki namespace. Anthony DiPierro 18:47, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Yes, I think the ideal would be markup of the style <Wikipedia-specific>h2g2 readers wishing to contribute... blah blah.</Wikipedia-specific>. In the meantime, why not put the relevant text at the top of the talk page? Martin 21:38, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
In my experience, however, people who mirror or fork the entire encyclopedia don't even bother to filter out the Talk, User, and Wikipedia namespace, so concern about including project-specific information seems to be low. -- StephenGilbert [copied from MeatBall:HTwoGTwo]
"Low" doesn't mean "non-existent". If you look at most copies of the Wikipedia database online, they have all the project specific information (talk and user pages, etc) still there. I've noticed that your copy does indeed filter them out, so that's one who does care. That's still a low number. It doesn't mean that self-refences are a good idea, though. Personally, I (along with others) agree with you that self-refences should be avoided in articles.
Also, and this is someone off-topic, but I notice that you have "Copyright (c) 2004 Anthony DiPierro" on your front page. It's not really a big deal, but each contributor still maintains the copyright over his or her Wikipedia contributions, and then licenses it under the GFDL. I'm guessing that everyone hasn't signed their copyrights over to you. ;-) -- Stephen Gilbert
{wrongtitle|title=h2g2} This template belongs on the article, not the Talk page. I'll insert it there. JamesMLane 23:23, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
An anon's edit states that Brunel has "black text on white backgrounds". My homepage on h2g2 appears as white text on black background, and I thought that was Brunel. Can anyone familiar with h2g2 offer a clarification? JamesMLane 23:13, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I've had a look at my personal space (I use Brunel) and the top bits (which list conversations I've subscribed to, and my messages, is black, with some writing yellow, and some black. However, the actual text of my journal is black text on a white background, and similarly for my introduction.
This seems to apply to the main text of entries themselves, although I think all heading are in red. Here is an example entry [2], in the brunel skin. Silverfish 23:31, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I stumbled upon this article on this site and I thought I'd give it an update, with the adding of the paragraph about the new h2g2 mobile edition. As a h2g2 researcher myself (U599405 if anyone would like to contact me there) there's been a lot of things going about this recently, so I thought it important to add to this.
See ya,
David Shoare (Dave, also known as Bob, scourge of the universe and purveyor of bad poetry on h2g2)
The talk page had an NPOV embedded in it which appears to be erroneous in the context of an NPOV alert. (It was connected with a discussion now long concluded on referencing.) I have removed the NPOV tag. If this is felt to be incorrect I apologise. --Silver149 6 July 2005 09:49 (UTC)
This is an interesting time. The BBC are making very interesting moves in the area of free content - all of Beethoven available for free download. The initatives to make all of their content and archive available for "re-mixing". However, at the same time they have a stated editorial policy of being the fact-based and trusted, respected, voice of balanced journalism. One can see their dilema!
Suggest that h2g2 contributors and content move to wikepedia - this will free up the BBC lawyers to worry about more important things (like how to prize out rights from ancient performers so we can all enjoy the old comedy shows) while bringing fresh content to wikipedia.
Isn't there some place off-site of h2g2 for members to talk when h2g2 is down? Report problems? It was down a few minutes ago so I looked up this entry to see if it had a link to such a place. Sadly, it does not. I heard once that there was such a site ... but I don't remember where or what exactly ... (by the way, I'm Researcher U203906) --Nerd42 23:44, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
I think I found it at Yahoo while browsing through h2Jargon. TRiG 00:10, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
User:Nerd42 has created "a template created for h2g2 Researchers who are also wiki users to add to their User Pages" at Template:H2G2Researcher. I removed this from the article page in an effort to avoid self-references in articles. — Jeff | (talk) | 06:18, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
Are there any statistics on the number of entries or the growth over time?--Eloquence* 23:10, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
There were in the article, however only measured by the site itself they were removed. NB you are using a malformed URL<TiT>
83.163.143.216 (talk) 21:55, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
The History revision marked "Added information on Editorial Feedback to the Update section". Have quoted from h2g2 UpdateForum. Am new to Wikipedia, and don't yet know the ropes. Should it be taken out again? TRiG 00:37, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Should I have put it in
Why is the acronym h2g2 and not hg2g? It doesn't make sense. Should this be mentioned or acknowledged here in the article at all? Should someone tell the BBC? Or am I just missing some clever inside joke among true fans of the book? .... just curious Vcrs 02:52, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
h2g2
ok I can understand the H2g (Hitchhikers Guide 2 Galaxy), but what is the 2nd 2 (to) for? or is it just for something like part 2? -- Hartmann Schedel II (talk) 17:00, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
<tit>83.163.143.216 (talk) 18:08, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
All articles mentioned here are actually in the Edited Guide. The EG can contain anything which conforms to the Writing Guidelines, which do not contain a requirement for notability. As long as an entry is factual and well written, it can go in. The Unedited Guide contains everything else, including rough drafts of entries in the EG.
I know I could change this myself, but I don't feel like it at the moment.
TRiG (talk) 17:42, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I have added eight new references, all from newspaper articles found using the Nexis UK archive. I have therefore removed the primary sources tag and replaced it with a 'more citations' (refimprove) tag. Hope you guys don't mind.
AlexAshman (talk) 10:11, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
I've added h2g2 to the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and Websites wikiprojects, as I felt it belonged there. Some editors from those wikiprojects may be interested in helping improve this article too. Deltawk (talk) 21:28, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
My impression of h2g2 is, admittedly based on the occasional anecdote, that it is a failed competitor to Wikipedia & has seen a corresponding fall-off in activity. However, following the link above & viewing its activity statistics, it appears that h2g2 is still active -- less so than Wikipedia, but on a level much higher than many social media websites. Can anyone provide information on what's been happening there in the last 5-10 years (yes, with verifiable sources), & whether its in a downwards spiral or its simply stabilized at a less active level? -- llywrch (talk) 19:36, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
"a failed competitor to Wikipedia" is a reasonable impression, given that it is an impression based on occasional anecdote. In fact, what h2g2 actually is is hard to describe. It is far easier to describe it in terms of what it is not - and it is not, and never has been, a competitor to Wikipedia, not least because it predates Wikipedia by almost two years. "a failed competitor to Facebook" is another possible misunderstanding, inasmuch as it has elements of social networking (not least its use of "My Space" as the label for a registered user's home page with their list of interactions), but it's not just that, either.
I'm not sure what you mean by "verifiable sources", as the site itself is a near-complete record of everything that's happened there in the last ten years - certainly conversation postings cannot be edited once posted. h2g2 is not a wiki - things don't disappear.
Current status at time of writing is that the site is undergoing transfer from BBC ownership to the ownership of Not Panicking Ltd., the new owners, a process driven in large part by the efforts of the h2g2 community consortium, a collective of motivated individual users of the site. Whether this constitutes a "downward spiral" or the next step in its evolution remains to be seen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.188.147.34 (talk) 15:57, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
H2g2 has now moved from the BBC. The new log in page says 'No researcher left behind'. I have been trying to get into the new site for several weeks now without sucess. One of the 'gurus' said he had passed my problem on, and since then despite several e-mails to the site I still can't get in to up date my contribution. So i hope others have better luck than me. It looks like the contributions I made over several years will never be added too!Betty Butt (talk) 06:38, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
To anyone from h2g2 this is nbb (ACE). Can anyone figure out why Wiki accepts any EG as a reliable source for an entry, but is unwilling to trust h2g2 as a source about itself? The primary/secondary source rules seem a bit odd here - until very recently h2g2 was backed by the bbc. The bbc can be used a source when an entry is done on any of its programs. An annoying bit of hypocrisy Nosebagbear (talk) 15:14, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
I did about three years after Nosebagbear Perhaps Nosebagbear should report to the Society of Time Travellers <biggrin>
As far as I understand we can not describe a site by using the site itself as reference.
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In which case I shall leave it to a more energetic Editor than I to remove about 40 sources from the primary beeb page that use bbc news articles as their supporting source (allowing for exclusions for publically submitted accounts etc). Nosebagbear (talk) 18:02, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
83.163.143.216 (talk) 21:50, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
I dunno whether Douglas Adams ever thought of that when conceiving it, but it actually does remind one a lot of R2-D2, the Star Wars droid. However, putting this into the article might be considered original research, even though both Adams' novel and Star Wars are in the very same genre: Sci-Fi. -andy 77.190.12.81 (talk) 07:25, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Besides C3P0 was the android, R2D2 the garbage bin. <TiT> 83.163.143.216 (talk) 21:37, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
There's a lot of in-universe writing here, isn't there? Everything in the article needs to be sourced to reliable third-party sources, not to the site itself. Also, why the lower-case title? --John (talk) 19:49, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
a trim ?
what you have done can be concidered desecration.
Not only have you removed the reference to the user page of the founder of h2g2 (as being used as a memorial site), you also removed about all of the content of this article.
Perhaps the site is not published about very much, perhaps the real life blood of the site, the community is not clear to you. But showing any respect for a site predating wiki or texting would be in place.
The site is named h2g2 not H2G2 (shouting) nor hg2g (some texting jibberish), it may even be the name in undercasts has to do with the computer technology of that era, anyway we Researchers have learned it is h2g2, perhaps a bit quirky perhaps a bit odd, just deal with it.
I have read the entire backlog of contributions (not only this Talk page) and for what I see many Researchers have tried to help you, wiki, in creating an informative and as far as possible correct article. In some attemp to help I even tried finding useful cites and references about what really constitutes the Society that makes up the site. However even an official Library Curator site manages to malform the name. So far any internet based references.
We, Researchers, concider the internet per definition flawed and temporary, that is the internet outside HooToo.
<tit>83.163.143.216 (talk) 04:07, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
<Sorry> for the outburst. <hmm>
Well it was 19th of April < http://h2g2.com/user/U170113 > the day one of our friends did not appear nor did he the next day, it was his brother who told us by will he had deceased. If you check the link you will see even today this researcher is missed.
I read in the backlog of the article Peta (one of the former italics who had known the man {D.N.A.} personally) included the memorial at his user page.
<tit><cry>83.163.143.216 (talk) 20:26, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Too loose language, not enough internal links not many external references. Bullets for list. . . Is there an Editor in the house? I am not GURU enough on this site (it has been years).
<tit> 83.163.143.216 (talk) 20:25, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
"Been there lurking for a while again. The site is still active, growing and under development. This obliges the Wiki community to use some present tense when considering that aspect discribing the state! Apparently I still feel involved <biggrin> <onlinetoolong>
<tit> 83.163.143.216 (talk) 08:08, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Traveller in Time <bluetit> on his head "What does all this BBC commment on this page. As far as I can see the BBC only keeps a *sorry for the inconvenience* sign on site."
83.163.143.216 (talk) 08:08, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Traveller in Time <tit> chizzling the rules in stone
"Well lets apply the rules as strict as they seem to go . . . ."
83.163.143.216 (talk) 17:34, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Changed broken links, checked entries they link to.
Removed anything about the functionality and society but a single paragraph.
Removed any redundant BBC reference, site Was BBC but they thrown it away (and in the process broke it on many places).
I am not going to read any more of your set in stone rules as they obviously seem only to apply for some.
<tit><sadface>
83.163.143.216 (talk) 19:16, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
I posted:
someboy deleted this topic of the discussion - wth is this? Which right to deletion had the one who didi this?
And still I don't see an answer for the 2nd '2' -- Hartmann Schedel cheers 17:51, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
<tit>83.163.143.216 (talk) 00:23, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Well english is not my mother tongue either, I just happened to drop in on h2g2 searching for 'nothing'. And again my apology for not giving a straight answer in my reply. Also as you can find on these pages I did not really enjoy the experience I got here. Here goes an explanation, not sourced outside of HooToo.
'The Hithikers Guide to the Galaxy' Now we strip the determiners and write hitchikers the old style 'Hitch Hikers Guide Galaxy' Abbreviate 'HHGG' So we have 2Hs and 2Gs. Now we stop shouting. <shhh> 'h2g2' Whether it is a mathematical or chemical formula or part of the archaic URL it fits HooToo.
As you may find in the comments by C Hawke and Tango, they say more or less the same. Today is Towel Day ! <TiT> 83.163.143.216 (talk) 19:54, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
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The info box says "Current status Active", but when I visit the site, the links from the front page generally seem to be going to some sort of failure/not found page. The description of it's true current status seems to need an update (unmaintained? unreliable?) DKEdwards (talk) 18:08, 16 April 2019 (UTC)