Male wearing the Male Fashion Statement that is the Hoodie Ok - how to put in that this is a Moral panic without using "it is believed by some to be..." when we can't back it up. We could also do with finding which tabloid newspaper started this off first. It won't have been Bluewater -> Blair. It will have been tabloid ->Bluewater ->Blair. These things don't appear from nowhere. Secretlondon 02:43, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The Bluewater thing was a con. I work for an IT consultancy firm and a colleague was doing work for Bluewater managemeht at the time. He was told by more than one Bluewater management employee that the hoody ban was largely aimed at removing teenagers from Bluewater specifically because they "hung around but didn't spend enough money". There was, and still is, a number of shops at Bluewater that actually SELL hoodies and baseball caps! It is also worth noting that Bluewater doesn't ask people who are over about 30 and who wear hoodies to leave the building. So don't believe the hype. Its simply about MONEY. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.179.72.183 (talk) 21:49, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Is the pictue really revelevant to the article. The picture could be taken out of context. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Missydreamchic (talk • contribs) 15:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of zippered hoodies? Is a hoody considered a jacket if it has a zipper? --Viriditas | Talk 02:40, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
The zipper is worth mentioning, but it isn't really unique to the hoodie. Azoundria 05:30, 30 April 2007 (UTC) hoodies with zippers are called hooded jackets —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.160.96.252 (talk) 16:27, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
As a U.S. resident, the apparent controversy over hoodies is absent here, and I was wondering about where it exists. Does anyone know of another place where hoodies are similarly stigmatized or if the controversy is confined to Britain? Cosmonot 18:04, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
In netherlands 'hoodies', locally not named, but described, as 'with capuchon', became very popular in the time of massive anti-nuke protests etc. The reason people would have (slogan bearing) jumpers *with* capuchons, was that it proved helpfull not to be arrested on the way home, or in advance at a next demo. Also when the police violence broke loose , one could resist with more chance of escape. As a result people tended to wear hoodies in similar colours, most often black, and often sloganned, or otherwise recognisable (cartoons, symbols, motto's) as part of the subculture. In peace/forest camps, and eviction threatened squats eg. the usefullness of not being fotographed (and hence being not only traceble but frequently hindered in career's, jobs and social applications) can be evident every moment. Since the early 90s at some point the trend seemed to weaken, but ever so often the new youth culture found reason to join in the habit. What i miss in the article is the relation with positive social action.(eg stealing food when you friends are hungry). 80.56.39.16 15:27, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
This is horrible! I am glad I live in Canada. And it's great that so many people are fighting back. Azoundria 05:46, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
It definitely should be noted that the problem in the UK is not extant at all in many other countries; I know that, in Australia, South Africa, continental Europe, and the parts of the US where I've gone, there is no issue with the hoodie. In fact, in some places in Europe, having a hoodie under a jacked has turned into a trendy part of semi-formal culture. 211.30.58.23 (talk) 03:10, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm wondering about a more mundane controversy: whether "hoody" or "hoodie" is the more generally accepted spelling. Right now, the article implies that "hoody" is more generally accepted. However, Google reports "hoodie" being used more than "hoody" on the Web by about 2:1. Personally, I have never seen "hoody" used as the singular before I saw this Wikipedia article. It could be argued that this is a case of UK vs. US English, but note that even on Web sites in the .uk domain, "hoodie" appears to be favored slightly (about 55% "hoodie" to 45% "hoody"). —LarryGilbert 16:45, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
Hoody looked more correct for me at the time of originally starting this article (which I see has come along quite nicely), and I generally like shorter words, but if it redirects it works for me. Azoundria 04:59, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Where did this term come from? Am I correct in thinking it only became commonly used a couple of years ago? I had never heard it until . . . I don't know the exact date. Maybe 2002, 2003? Somewhere around there. Does anyone know when it began? Or when it began to spread? -Branddobbe 07:58, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
I appologise that i am lacking a date for you, but i woud suggest that it is shortened from Hooded Sweatshirt.69.209.57.233 22:39, 27 August 2006 (UTC)Jason
I know that it was being used in Australia, at least in the hip hop subculture, by the late 90s. Can't get more specific than that. Fipe 12:29, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Based upon the discrimination going on in Britain right now and how the hoodie was only starting to catch on their in 2007, I would have to conclude that the hoodie was not invented there. http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article325292.ece
I would guess America, Australia, or Canada. Azoundria 05:53, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Has been used in British youth culture since 2002, Have no sources for this though, and I would imagine it's unlikely to be in print anywhere then, as it's a slang term. As I said, no sources, I just know because I was there. 22:13, 18 September 2007. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.138.219.135 (talk)
I obviously have nothing to back this up but growing up on the east coast I remember hearing the term hoodie way back in 1991. It is definitely hip hop / street slang. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.210.55.170 (talk) 16:24, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
It seems the hoodie (or hoody, whatever)makes people talk about the hoodie. That's wrong. A Hoodie is neither good or bad. It just shows the person behind/under the hoodie more expressive than he is. Test it for yourself: look at a person with his hood on his head and get in touch with your feelings. Either you fall in love because the hoodie looks tender, either you hate the hoodie because he looks decadent. It always works! That's why the government need to force everybody to wear a hoodie. Hoodies don't lie!!!
What about band hoodies (Hoodies with the logo of a rock band on)? I've seen them around for much longer than the 'chav' ones, and even though they're different (and often worn by people whose way of life is different), there's still some sort of stigma attached - I've receieved many dirty looks and had people (mostly older people) complain to me about wearing one on the odd occasions I've worn one. Possibly notable (not what happened to me, obviously, I mean band hoodies in general)?
And by the way, I think this whole hysteria over it is absolutely ridiculous. 80.6.98.250 11:44, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Hoodies are a Male Dominent Fashion trend, generally the woman that wear them are Lesbians or pretending to be Male.
urrm i am not the same person actually, i find that extremely offensive. i have a static IP address thankyou very much. and bra's are unisex thankyou as mentioned by the previous person or as you call them 'weirdo'. i think you will find commenting about a specific IP on wikipedia is a bannable offense as well.
I think it's pretty far-fetched to say that women never wear hoodies. My univerisity has a whole section of college hoodie's made for women, and it has to be one of the most commonly worn items around campus when it gets cold. 148.61.211.67 (talk) 21:06, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Should we consider semi-protecting the page to prevent the "male" obsessed IP address from making further changes? Addhoc 13:02, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
No-where in the article is the historical derivation of the modern 'hooded jumper' with kangaroo pouch. I think US brand 'Champion' has been manufacturing the modern hood for much of the 20th Century - being the norm of 'boxing' training gear. Ideas? Ethikos 03:16, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
In a more detailed article on sweatshirts, and on the web, it's clear that Russell Athletic invented the sweatshirt. https://www.russellathletic.com/blog/sweatshirt-history . This should probably be the starting point in this article.
Just read through this article, and it is extremely focused on Great Britain. If I didn't know better, I would think that wearing a hoodie is looked down upon nearly everywhere in the world. I understand that there is a controversy in the UK and Ireland, but perhaps it should be made more clear that, at least in the United States, wearing a hoodie is not always perceived as uniform for hoodlums. 209.129.161.251 21:36, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
RE: the term "hoodrat"
In the US it is an insult or put down used that describes a local girl or young woman in one's own neighborhood considered to be inconsequential or a nuisance, or a female from any low income urban area with the implication that she is lacking sophistication or any potential for social or economic advancement, similar to the insult "trailer trash" a demeaning term for residents of low income rural areas regardless of gender. The "hood" in the term is short for "neighborhood" not sweatshirt hood.
Unrelated, the term "hood" was commonly used in the 1940's-60's to describe teenage male or young man perceived to be menacing or a ne'er-do-well but was taken from the word "hoodlum" and also with no connection to sweatshirts.
173.133.130.151 (talk) 08:47, 10 December 2011 (UTC)Moi
Who first made the sweatshirt hoodie we know today? What region did it popularize in first? Cultural significance and subculture scene association? Variety of logoing, patterns and styles? In media? In pop culture?
This is a popular piece of clothing, it deserves more effort than it has received.
Also the section on England has to be modified and fit into a better narrative through the article. Too much focus. <Unsigned?>
Yes. These are the things I would be curious to know - but I'm not really sure where to look. Azoundria 05:26, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
In Saskatchewan, Canada a hoodie or hoody is traditionally known as a "bunnyhug" or "bunny hug". I added this to the hoodie entry but it was removed by an anonymous user. I'm not sure what source I would cite for this. On the Wiki, I found this page but it wouldn't really provide any further credibility. Thoughts?
I notice absolutely no mention of the large frontal pockets on hoodies - which are actually one of the most important features. I know when I created this article, that was the only thing I mentioned and where did it go?
I think we should agree on an official term for them, like frontal pockets or I heard someone say kangaroo pouch. What are the thoughts on this? Azoundria 05:24, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
There is a mistake here - hoodies don't usually have LARGE frontal pockets. I lost my car keys forever because I put them in my hoodie pockets and they fell out easily, because the pockets were too SMALL, and shallow. So this should be mentioned in the article, and we can cite the reference as 'experience'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.3.177.45 (talk) 10:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
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((globalize)) was (ahem) spot on. You'd never know, reading this, about hoodies' glorious US history. They started primarily as an athletic garment and I do recall people wearing them, mainly boys and young men on sports teams, in at least the late 1970s. Their primary advantage was (and is) that they're good for wearing outside in cool weather as you can pull the hood up and stash your hands in the pocket when you get cold standing around waiting for things. And if it gets warmer, you can pull the hood down. It also has slightly scarf-like functions ... I used to wear it to keep my neck warm while skiiing.
Back in my teen years (the early and mid-'80s) the term "hoodie" had not yet been coined. They were just called hooded sweatshirts. They were never a fashion item and you would have laughed at the idea they ever would be. It was something you wore as very casual going out clothing or playing touch football or something like that. In my college years, I had about four or five different ones. Men always seemed to more attached to them (i.e., wearing them for years until they practically fell apart) than women. How can this article omit Adam Sandler's classic "Red Hooded Sweatshirt" song from Saturday Night Live? It captures everything hooded sweatshirts once were.
I have added this article to the hip-hop project to reflect its status as a current fashion item. Daniel Case 05:14, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
All talk, none of this. Very frustrating. ALTON .ıl 09:12, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Here's a question I can't seem to find an answer for anywhere, so maybe somone in the UK can answer it... is this anti-hoodie sentiment extended towards all people who wear hooded sweatshirts, or only those who wear their hoods up indoors? I mean, I suppose there's no way of telling outdoors and in bad weather whos's going to take their hood down when they're in from the rain/cold, but do the clothing bans inside malls apply to the garments themselves or to the act of wearing the hood up in the mall? 68.236.159.105 14:24, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
I have removed this, as I can't find any verified source on the net. The hoodie originally got its name from working men, anyway - so the claim is incorrect. --Lemons&Limes (talk) 13:45, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
I can't believe a female has never donned one, if only in private. EdX20 (talk) 11:11, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
This article goes on and on about how evil hoodies are and hoodlums and theives use them so they've been banned by civilized society and are a symbol of moral corruption etc etc etc
But they're a staple of American casual wear. Looking around a classroom you'd probably see at least 40% of students with a hoodie close by. Most American youth use (sometimes layered) hoodies as heavy winter wear. No American would ever give a second glance because of a hoodie. They're perfectly normal, accepted, comfortable values well within the range of upstanding social behavior. And the article says absolutely NOTHING to that effect. In america, we wear them, we like them, and it's not a big deal. Maybe the brits are afraid of their fancy 100 trillion GBP webcam network not being able to see faces for hoods, but in america we wear whatever we want and (mostly) don't care what other people wear.
So I tagged the article with ((Globalize/UK)). Someone please work this into the article- they are NOT AN ISSUE in the rest of the world. I added something at the bottom before and someone took it out, obviously feeling justified in removing non sourced material, as if it's really that important to mathematically prove a sweatshirt article. It's like I was trying to build a dam and I dropped a log in the water and he looked at the water flowing around it and said ITS NOT HOLDING WATER. TOO WEAK. And smashed the log.
In real Europe the hoodie has hardly any stigma at all. In Germany, France, Belgium, etc hoodies are worn by scores of people. Although these countries have the same issues with e.g. youth criminality nobody has yet arrived at blaming it on the hoodies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.137.22.44 (talk) 22:57, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Hoodies have been common athletic and fitness attire in the USA for decades, since before Sylvester Stallone donned one in Rocky, as well as before the advent of hip hop or rap music. I mention this because there is far too much emphasis on stereotypes, and associating them with hip hop, in this article; at least from an American viewpoint. They are simply another type of sweatshirt, and are not anymore symbolic then crew-neck sweatshirts, but I suddenly feel dirty after reading this article, since I've donned hoodies while running ever since the seventies and never knew that anyone viewed me as a thug for doing so.
Rogun (talk) 14:11, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
"Cameron also perpetuated the mistaken use of the word hoodie to refer to a wearer of a hooded garment, rather than the garment itself, a mistake that many older Britons now continue to make." Is it a mistake, or just an example of the flexibility of language, that the people wearing the garment are now known by the name of the garment? People wearing hoodies may not refer to themselves that way, but that doesn't make this use of the term a mistake. NelC (talk) 20:42, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
has it been called a "hoodie" since it was invented in the 1930s? i seem to only remember hearing this name in the last few years. "hooded sweatshirt" before that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.224.73.209 (talk) 02:17, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
I have a similar question. My friend in college in the ‘70’s called her hooded sweatshirt “her hoodie “. I thought it was cute that she came up with that term. Can she have been the originator? I never heard it called that again until the ‘ 90’s — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:246:4D80:868C:25C4:1E33:4B15:4119 (talk) 01:16, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
A. It was invented and has been commonly and continually worn for decades before the slang term "hoodie" was adopted. Granted, referring to it as a "hoodie" is now fairly common among english speakers born since the 4th quarter of the 20th century, but older segments of the population may lack familiarity with the term while "hooded sweatshirt" or "sweatshirt" is more universally understood by those familiar with the garment. Also both, the majority of the items manufactures and retailers such as department stores and general non-specialy clothing outlets refer to the item as a "hooded sweatshirt"
While wikipedia guidelines favor the most commonly used name, when that the use of that name is concentrated primarily among a particular geographic, cultural, linguistic or demographic population that the articles subject independent of then preference is given to the original, formal or technical name. An example is the sleeveless undershirt that is referred to commonly in the UK as a "vest" and by same age demographic that is familiar with the term "hoodie" in the US as a "wifebeater" but on wikipedia the conflict is avoided by referring to it as an "A-shirt" a much less commonly name that manufacturers and retailers use to describe the garment.
B. While the information in the article may very well be factual, the misplaced weight and lack of perspective could mislead readers unfamiliar with the topic. While popularity of the "hoodie" among certain youth subcultures in the British isles may relatively recent. In the US where it was created, its post war ubiquity has continually grown as what is popularly considered acceptable fashion increasingly became less formal. Currently in the US, "hooded sweatshirts" are very commonly worn by Americans either as athletic, recreational or casual apparel regardless of age, income level, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation or political affiliation. Specifically among US teenagers/young adults, parents, teachers and police "hooded sweatshirts" are unremarkable and in themselves do not carry any specific social identity significance and may just as often be on the back of a model student, gang affiliate, socially awkward bookworm, or among those who identify with one of many often aesthetically diverse youth subcultures such as goth kids, scenesters, skaters, backpackers, crustpunks, grits, punks, surfers, neo-hippies, hardcore kids etc. In the US, far from being a recently introduced and socially contentious symbol, the "hooded sweatshirt" has for decades such generic staple in the American wardrobe that it could arguably along with the T-shirt, blue jeans and sneakers be considered part of the national costume of the United States.
C. The article is primarily focused on the social perception and cultural impact of the topic that is rather specific to the Ireland and the UK, rather than on the topic itself. A somewhat similar scenario might be as if the Dr. Martens article was instead titled "Docs" and mainly concentrated on the popularity and social impact the shoes had in the US in the late 20th century. This cultural significance of the "hoodie" in the UK and Ireland deserves a subsection in the article, with perhaps even a majority of the article's verbiage or a brief summery and link to a separate more in-depth article specific to this particular phenomenon. 173.133.130.151 (talk) 06:23, 10 December 2011 (UTC)Moi
From Slate: "When Did Hoodlums Start Wearing Hoods?". Most relevant paragraph here:
The linked New York Times article is probably even more helpful, though I'd like to get more sourcing on the claims made within. --Mosmof (talk) 23:10, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Due to the Trayvon Martin incident, there's been a lot of focus on hoodies lately. Which is good for this article. Here's a really nice article on the history of the hoodie and its connotations:
Should be useful for a lot of the info in the article already. SilverserenC 00:57, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
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This Statement from the New York Times is 100% Untrue and shows a lack of professional research when making claims. "The hoodie took off in the 1970s, with several factors contributing to its success. Hip hop culture developed in New York City around this time, and the hoodies element of instant anonymity, provided by the accessible hood, appealed to those with criminal intent.<ref name="nyt" / Actually the hoodie is primarily associated with Hip Hop culture because Break-dancers wore hoodies to perform moves called head-spins, and hoodies made them easier, and more comfortable to perform. This is the truth. Although Criminals did utilize the instant anonymity that the hood provided, it is grossly inaccurate to attribute the criminal aspect to Hip-Hop as during the 1970s and early 1980s Hip-Hop primary popularized hoodies for Break-dancing purposes, and not criminal activity, as the "gangsta" element in Hip-Hop did not begin to surface until about 1987-1988.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.64.77.172 (talk) 15:26, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
For those copyeditors who find the content spammy, I have nothing to do with any clothing brands, and do not even own a hoodie. The inclusion is based on the fact that it is a notable technological innovation. Thanks. Regards,--Soulparadox (talk) 07:35, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
As a courtesy to other contributors, could we discuss complicated or controversial issues on the talk page, not in our edit summaries?
I think any experienced contributor, who was observed their share of edit wars, will agree that using an inadequately brief edit summary to explain a complicated or controversial edit is the most common trigger for edit warring. This practice dangles a huge temptation to the other party to make their rebuttal in their own edit summary, which requires them to revert the reversion. Instant edit war.
"Discussions", if one can call them that, conducted in edit summaries are terribly opaque. No uninvolved third party can understand what is really under dispute, unless they step through each edit, one at a time. Even then it can be difficult, or even impossible, to figure out what generated all the bad feelings. After weeks or months after the dispute I doubt if even the participants can be counted on to understand what the dispute is about.
Further, good faith previously uninvolved third parties should be able to look for the history of, and discussion and resolution of complicated editorial disputes on the talk page. Should uninvolved third parties even be expected to look at the edit summaries to see if there were any stealth disputes?
Another contributor excised new material I added, saying, in their edit summary "Rm minor incident."
I added three sentences, 66 words, plus supporting references. Yes, this is not the most important incident where law enforcement officials, security guards, or vigilantes, have over-reacted to reports of suspects wearing hoodies. That is why I only added three sentences.
When Trayvon Martin was murdered, in part, because his hoodie triggered unfair suspicion, protestors attended demonstrations wearing hoodies of their own. Suspicion over the wearing of hoodies is seen as a public safety issue. Is there any reason why we shouldn't cover every well-documented instance where reports that a suspect, apparently at large, was wearing of a hoodie, put public safety at risk?
FWIW, I raised a similar issue on another article's talk page, when Calton made an even larger excision, offering only the edit summary "rm minor incident". Calton changed the section heading of the section I started -- which I think lapses from our rules and conventions as to how to engage in talk page discussion. It says "To avoid disputes, it is best to discuss a heading change with the editor who started the thread, if possible, when a change is likely to be controversial." I encourage them to consider the recommendations of WP:TPO. Geo Swan (talk) 01:20, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
I don't think I did any such thing. If you think you can quote a passage in the my contribution to the article where I introduced significant SYNTH, I'll give you a hats-off. But, even so, complete excision of my contribution to article space wouldn't be authorized by policy. If, for the sake of argument, a passage in my contribution to article space really did lapse from SYNTH, wouldn't policy recommend merely excising or rewriting that passage?
Now, if your SYNTH comment refers to my mention of Trayzon Martin, above, I think you are seriously misinterpreting both SYNTH, and the real purpose of talk page discussions.
The real world can be complicated. Good faith contributors can look at the same reliable authoritative references, and have different interpretations of how to neutrally cover what those RS say, and how much coverage the references merit.
What we are supposed to do is engage in discussions, where we discuss why we disagree over how to interpret those references; where we discuss how much coverage those references merit.
When we engage in discussions on talk pages, and other fora, we are supposed to avoid applying inflammatory terms to other people's comments, like "self-serving codswallop".
SYNTH applies to article space. Here, on a talk page, there is no restriction on drawing conclusions that would not belong in article space, so long as those comments were intended to improve the article's coverage of the topic.
You voiced a concern I was lapsing from WP:SYNTH and WP:UNDUE. I offered a reply. If you weren't responsible for the edits made by TheGreatWikiGeorge and 2607:fea8:2d1f:fa39:8c51:1293:69d3:6ffa, then you haven't responded at all.
Should I consider your lack of reply as a tacit acknowledgement that you aren't standing behind your WP:SYNTH and WP:UNDUE claim? Geo Swan (talk) 03:59, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
On May 2, 2018, I added two sentences, and a reference, to the paragraph about George Zimmerman's killing of Trayvon Martin. Here is my addition.
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An IP contributor, 2607:fea8:2d1f:fa39:8c51:1293:69d3:6ffa, reverted my edit, with the edit summary "Poor quality source and too much weight bring put on a barely related topic. This is about a article of clothing not a court case."
"Poor quality source"? The reference was to a book, Race and Racism, written by a respected academic whose academic focus is racism. So, I believe the sockpuppet's claim I used a "poor quality source" is nonsense.
As for the claim I was putting "too much weight" on the perception that black youths were more threatening when they were wearing hoodies... For crying out loud, those organizing protests over Martin's shooting, and violence against black youths, in general, called for protestors to attend wearing hoodies.
Frankly, I think we need more coverage of the association between racism, racial profiling, and wearing hoodies. Here are some additional references... Geo Swan (talk) 03:45, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
Rush is no rookie at thumbing his nose at authority -- he was a Black Panther leader in his youth -- and it seems pretty clear he knew what he was doing, since he moved to the podium wearing a blazer, then removed the coat, pulled up the hood, and replaced his glasses with sunglasses only once he'd begun speaking. "Racial profiling has to stop. Just because someone wears a hoodie, does not make them a hoodlum," Rush said. Perhaps not, but it does make him a violator of the rules of decorum of the U.S. House of Representatives, according to the presiding chair.
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Fashion is always at least a little bit political, and it doesn't exist in a vacuum. An anthropologist is qualified to comment on the social significance of a garment, and this seems like a well-supported and significant context for how the garment is now seen in the US. I have some concerns about WP:UNDUE and WP:SYNTH for the sources listed above, but that doesn't mean that nothing should be included, only that it should be handled carefully. If we're going to mention Rocky and hip-hop culture, giving a couple of sentences to Black Lives Matter seems reasonable and proportional. Grayfell (talk) 23:58, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
I like to give outside voices their due. Because something appears in magazines or on fashion runways does not mean it becomes popular. Lots of clothing in the late 1990's included hoods on them. The recent 2000's and current mass popularization of the Hooded sweatshirt was started by people in alternative rock scene, and by protesters, many who take part in the same events.
Hoodies were popular with inner hip hop specifically gangster wrap in the 1990's. Hoodies appeared on fashion clothing, sometimes on high fashion clothing....but it did not go main stream. In the early 2000's - 2002 and forward people into alternative rock started wearing black hoodies in cold weather.By 2005, mid 2000's it had blown up and everyone started wearing them, and it was blown up to mainstream society. They were never popular during the Hip hop period in the mid 90s with the average person on the street.Starbwoy (talk) 02:21, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
There was an edit adding a Japan section that kept getting deleted because it was incomprehensibly written/sourced but it actually has some value. It essentially said hoodies are well-liked in Japan and notably feature in the Decora street fashion style which "originated in the late 1990s/early 2000s where a plain shirt and hoodie was often worn with short tutu-like skirts". Their sources were http://showstudio.com/projects/sportswear/hoodies-gary-warnett (didn't actually watch the video because 30 minutes of a guy talking about hoodies is not my style) and http://www.aka-hoodies.com/ I found another source that seems better for the Decora factoid: https://jpninfo.com/94276 May come back later and add this if no one else does. Livin270 (talk) 02:03, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
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The article's imagery was white- and male-centered. I introduced a woman and a black person wearing a hoody and tried to avoid stereotypical representations such as inserting the picture of the black person into the passage about crime in the US. Grizma (talk) 11:17, 7 March 2023 (UTC)