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University in Kaliningrad is not original Albertina (German, East-Prussian, Old-Prussian academy)!
And I claim to be Charlemagne since 742.
All German professors of any formerly German universities in the East left their posts and no academic cooperation was possible. The books were burned or censored. The quality of humanities in Soviet Union was very low because of censorship and Communist leadership. Also the Nazi period meant partial destruction and degradation of the university. So there is a big hole 1933-1990. The local people know the subject much better tahn me, unfortunately they prefer to pretend they used to study Kant rather than Lenin in 1960. Xx236 16:51, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
The fact that Konigsberg's German rulers were forced to pay hommage to the Polish king for a short spell of its history, doesn't justify the Polonization of the city name. In the 16th century, as well as in the 19th century, the town was known to all the world as Konigsberg. You may use your Polish names in Polish wiki, but don't forget that you are in the international wiki here, so you should stick to generally accepted English names and not to your Polish pecularities. --Ghirlandajo 15:26, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
Sorry but I see no reason not to list Krolewiec, after it was part of a Polish fief at the time. --Molobo 16:40, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
That's not the point. The vote talks about double naming of places with "shared history". --Molobo 19:57, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
"It might be useful to mention the Polish name in the main Konigsberg article, but it is certainly not justified to force that name into every article which mentions the city. " I am sorry but I have seen that procedure in all articles mentioning Gdansk even when they are in regards to Polish politicians born in 1970 with no contact with German history so why shouldn't we use the same procuder in regards to other cities if admins claim that is what needs to be done ? --Molobo 19:57, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Krolewiec is a parfect example of shared history Balcer.I do believe however that using double naming in articles that aren't involved with history should be an exemption.Of course the vote is wrong in various ways(manipulation of votes, the fact that according to it Warsaw should be named Warschau).However Krolewiec is quite ok in this.I even got a English reference document as required:
http://members.core.com/~mikerose/history.html
During the wars of the middle of the 17th century Jewish wholesale trade, both long distance and foreign, came nearly to a standstill. Only in some cities, for example Brody and Leszno, Jewish merchants, thanks to considerable support on the part of the magnates, succeeded in renewing contacts with Gdansk, Wroclaw, Krolewiec, Frankfurt on Oder and to a lesser degree with England.
--Molobo 21:26, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Actually the name Krolewiec is used very often in English articles.I can give more examples. " Only 0.25% of English webpages mention Krolewiec by itself." Please provide this numbers, I am curious. Also it seems the percentage is unimportant, Gdansk is more mentioned then Danzig yet we have to use it, another example is Gdynia where admin has insisted Gdingen (almost non-used) be added. So I see no reason based on examples given by admins no to use Polish versions, if they aren't majority. --Molobo 23:43, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Notice also that when Krolewiec was lost by Poland I no longer add its Polish name.--Molobo 23:51, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Let me make a more general comment. You seem to be pushing the following rule: "In any article concerned with the history of a city, the city name used must be that from the language of the state that held sovereignty over the city at the time". How defensible and practical is this rule, do you think? Consider the interesting consequences of its application, and let me know if you would support them.
I could go on but surely you get my drift. I would be happy to read your comments. Balcer 02:08, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
Interesting, but even Polish apologist/enthusiasts will have to admit Gdansk/Danzig and Koenigsberg/Krolewiec made their history and legacies as German cities. When was Krolewiec "lost?" For 700 years it was a German city. Its culture was German, not Polish, even under Polish rule. The same could be said for Germans who claim Poznan/Posen and so forth. Breslau..Another dominantly German city within a region of multi-ethnic diversity. When I think of "Poland" traditionally I think of the areas of Poznan and to the center towards Warsaw..Not Prussia or former German Silesia when referring to the history of Poland. I've always regarded the eastern areas of Poland in areas like Kiev, Lvov, Lublin and so on as the cradle of Polish civilization. Like the Germans, the Poles also branched out in Pomerania/Prussia/Silesia, but due to historical happenings the German culture seems to have become the dominant culture in history through these contested areas.
Königsberg certainly had inimate ties for nearly two centuries with the Polish crown during the times when East Prussia (ducal Prussia) was a fief of the Polish crown, but nevertheless it has never been a Polish town in the sense that a significant part of it's citizens were Poles. Poles may call it with it's Polish name in the same way as e.g. French call the German City of Aachen "Aix-la-Chapelle", or the English call the German City of Köln "Cologne" or the Germans call the Italian City Milano "Mailand". But it is ridiculous to claim that articles in the English Wikipedia should use the Polish name for Cities which have never been Polish! In the same way Russians could demand that Polish names should be removed and replaced by their Russian equivalents, because Congress Poland was part of the Russian Empire 1815-1914/17. Wikipedia should not be a romping place for Nationalists who want to want to implement their one-sided view of history! Poles also have to deal with the historical fact that a significant part of their country has been German. They somehow have to deal with the German past of these areas and this cannot simply be done in a way by stating ("has been Polish 700 years ago ..." or: "has been a Polish fief for 200 years ..."). -- Furfur July 14, 2006
"Kroliewec" was never controlled by Poland, it was a fief with a very large autonomy. Polish language never really had power of the official language in it, it was always German speaking. Burann 12:41, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
This page states that Immanuel Kant State University of Russia is the proper name of the university in English. Likedeeler 23:29, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
According to this external link, the university maintains the traditions of the older Albertina University. However, that does not mean that the current university should be seen as a direct continuation of the Albertina and that the Albertina should redirect here. The external link states the "Immanuel Kant State University of Russia (IKSUR) began life as Kaliningrad State Pedagogical Institute (1948-1967), which was one of the first institutions of higher education established in the Kaliningrad region."
This should be split into separate articles delineating between the modern university and the older Albertina University. The current situation gives the awkward indication that Kant and Hilbert were faculty of a state university of Russia (Category:Alumni and faculty of Immanuel Kant State University of Russia). Again, there is precedence for a division - the history of the University of Leuven is split between three articles. Olessi (talk) 00:01, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
I separated the information between this article and University of Königsberg. The title of the latter was chosen according to WP:GERCON. Olessi (talk) 09:18, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Could someone explain the acronym IKSUR? At first glance, it seems to be something like "Immanuel Kant State University of Russia" or is it just a typo? TomS TDotO (talk) 13:12, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
This revert was improper. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Immanuel_Kant_Baltic_Federal_University&diff=prev&oldid=1153186191 2603:7000:2101:AA00:714F:9C6C:35A3:BFB0 (talk) 22:56, 4 May 2023 (UTC)