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I have changed the reference to "Bhinneka Tunggal Ika" being Old Javanese. Someone changed it back but I thought my change hadn't taken effect and so, did it again. I believe I am correct, but will do some more research before I come back. If someone wants to change it back, I won't change it again until I have a reliable source for my belief. Peacenik. 26/09/2004.
Julius, are you saying that you think that "Bhinneka Tunggal Ika" is Sanskrit too? I couldnt find any sources on the net to support this. I remember reading it in Ailsa Zainnudin's History of Indonesia, but could find no support for that. Do you have any more info? --Peacenik 20:50, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Yes, Old javanese is similar to Sanskrit ( Sansekerta in Indonesian Languange )
It is certainly true that many Javanese words are the same as in Hindi, and Sanskrit is the link between the two. Julius.kusuma 01:19, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
it would be appropriate is there was a bahasa Indonesia unicode script for the country's called name. Colipon 22:51, 13 Sep 2003 (UTC)
No bahasa Indonesia uses the Latin character. There are hundreds of local language dialect and they have their own character but the national language uses the Latin character. It would be inapropriate to use any of these characters. Vhadiant
Yes, bahasa indonesia use latin character, also some local dialect. But other some local dialect use local character.
'Bhinneka Tunggal Ika' is Old Javanese, yes. It is first written by Empu Tantular in Kitab Sutasoma during the reign of Majapahit that has suceeded in uniting (nearly) all the lands we now know as Indonesia, even a small part of Malaysia. In Indonesian, it translates into 'Berbeda-beda namun tetap sama' or roughly 'Different but one'. And bahasa Indonesia use latin character. So as bahasa sunda, betawi, and batak--roughly nearly all the major local dialect
History is interesting isnt it? Know what would make it more interesting? little carttons of ppl killing eachother. Come on, do it!!
Are you mocking indonesian or something? Indonesians are quite prone of controversy, correct. But it could not be helped, for there are vast diversities among the people; be it in religion, tribe, and social manners. And because of the long period Indonesians spent during oppresion, they value democracy and freedom nearly into the point of extreme. This is a major problem int the politics. But still, that doesn't give anyone the right to generalize Indonesians as a violent nation.
Indonesia is indeed a violent nation.
I have to point out that this article is currently very mis-representative. Even the CIA-World Factbook is more even handed: "Indonesia is the world's largest archipelago; it achieved independence from the Netherlands in 1949. Current issues include: alleviating widespread poverty, implementing IMF-mandated reforms of the banking sector, effecting a transition to a popularly-elected government after four decades of authoritarianism, addressing charges of cronyism and corruption, holding the military and police accountable for human rights violations, and resolving growing separatist pressures in Aceh and Papua."
People (especially American who might not know about Indonesia) could die if, for example they tried to take photographs or talk to a local without being aware of the risks.
The history section edits out the 'cooperation' of the Indonesian elite with the Japanese during the Pacific war, fails to mention Soedjatmoko and his famous offering up the resources of Asia in exchange for political aid, doesn't even mention the military coup by Suharto and his purge/killing of over half a million Javanese villagers to ensure democracy never raise its head against him; no mention of the invasion of Dutch New Guinea in 1961, of the invasion of East Timor in 1975, ...
The 'Politics' sections makes no mention that the Indonesian Military holds political seats and power, that no Indonesian President could hold office excepting with their support.
The Economics section makes no mention of the fact that the "oil and natural gas, tin, copper and gold." are all in the invaded/occupied nations under Indonesian military occupation. Makes no mention of the fact that the Military Generals and their families own the Indonesian businesses in those regions or the extent of official corruption in Indonesia.
The Geography section does not mention that Indonesia and the entire Malay archipelago is on the Asian tectonic plate, while New Guinea & therefore Papua is on the Australian (which is why Papuan mountains are so high). Does not mention ecological items like the 190,000 tones of tailings from Freeport dumped into the local river each day or the resulting infertility of the Papuan race in south West Papua due to copper poisoning. Nor the plague of worm which the Indonesian introduced to the wild & domestic boar of New Guinea since their 1961 invasion.
The current article seems to make Indonesia sound like a multi-ethnic wonder-land, failing to mention that Java is Islamic, and the other religions are mostly in occupied territories under dispute from the native people (Aceh, Borneo, West Papua & Maluku, even the Hindu on Bali are now under threat from new Indonesian laws which some people suspect were designed to convert them to Islam).
All up, I ask, please somebody or group of people re-write this article. I wish not to write it myself as NPOV would be excessively exhausting to maintain, having read the details of rights abuses against the West Papuans.
...I don't believe this... I'm sorry, but the way you talk gives me the idea that you are of the opinion that Soeharto is no more than some kind of a dictator. Many thinks the same, I won't deny that. But you have failed to mention that he is who we call as 'Bapak Pembangunan' or 'the Father of Development'. During the reign of Soekarno, whose deed perhaps stopped at the proclamation on August 17th 1945 and the short time following when MPR and DPR are established, Indonesia are on the verge of being turned into a communist nation, and people are on the worst of poverty due to the minimum development and import-export. When Soeharto was the president, Indonesia was at its best of condition--schools are openened everywhere, the 9-year-education program are legitimated, etc. It would be too much to mention all of them. He ruled with military force, correct, but I personally think it was pretty much needed to keep things in order, and would be the right thing to do had not he overdid it.
And about Soekarno etc cooperating with Japan, it wasn't completely true. During their time in Indonesia, Japanese banned all national organization and established 'Putera' which aim was to have the educated people of Indonesia to work for Japan. Soekarno, Mohammad Hatta, and few others joined in 'Putera' just so they could gain information about Japanese and have supplies from them. This is also so the Japanese wouldn't keep their eyes on them while they secretly establish the national movement. There are also controverisal/underground organizations established by Indonesian icons that worked secretly amongst the villagers. I hope this would give you the rough sketch of the national movement during Japanese reign.
"The agreement remains controversial and could still flounder, but for now, Aceh has the quiet it so desperately needs as people try to reconstruct their lives." I took this sentence off the end of the first section, because it is not a "verifiable fact."
Reply: I believe it is indeed verifiable that the agreement is controversial, and threats to its success could be documented by reference to various press accounts - though I admittedly lack the inclination to spend time searching down such references. In terms of the importance of documenting that Achenese need quiet to reconstruct their lives, I find it hard to imagine that a state of conflict could be conducive to the recovery from the unimaginable calamity of the tsunami. As I wrote that text (founder, not "flounder," by the way, though someone else presumably edited that word), I would ask you what you think my point of view is, other than wishing for quiet rather than war in a disaster zone (is that a truly controversial POV?). That said, if you dislike the rest of the sentence, would you also object to language like "however, the agreement remains controversial and its outcome is as yet uncertain"? If so, why?
Michael 01:44, May 14 2006 (UTC)
I was wondering if perhaps Meursault2004 or someone may be to answer a question about other independance groups in Java & Aceh (42-45). I've had a suspicion that if the Japanese hadn't suddenly developed a an unexpected interest in encouraging Sukarno's group as a independance movement; that a different coalition of people would have formed the original post-war independance movement. I also think they would still have succeeded, for example the Aust. Trade Unions that black-listed Dutch shipping until the Dutch stop opposing the independance; wouldn't have known diddly about the internal politics, only that the Indonesians were now demanding their independance and that was something the Aust. Trade Unions were in favour of.Daeron 11:01, 8 May 2004 (UTC)
It is correct that there were many different independence movements that sprung among the different locations and ethnic groups. The thing to keep in mind is that almost all of the leaders who became the prominent Indonesian leaders were part of the educated elite that came about on java in the early 20th century, thanks to access to western education that was developing in java. These leaders were not exclusively Javanese, nor did they all advance an agenda of a united Indonesia. Other organizations include Jong Celebes for people from Sulawesi, groups from the Batak people, and groups from the pacific islanders in the east. Even during the independence war in 1945-1949, these groups still existed and some continued to press the agenda for their own independent state separately from the Javanese. Another historical piece often overlooked: when Jakarta and Yogyakarta were taken over by the Dutch and the capital was temporarily moved to Western Sumatra, there were fears that the people there won't give the power back to Sukarno-Hatta at the end of hostilities. And indeed, after Java was restored in 1949, there was quite a bit of friction in transfering power back to Sukarno-Hatta in Jakarta. The problem is that most people who grew up in Indonesia (including myself) were not taught this version of history, but rather one that emphasizes national unity, blah blah. Older people tend to know this fact better than the younger ones, because many were educated in the 50s and 60s, before the curriculum was radically changed to include mostly propaganda. Julius.kusuma 23:51, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
An error, there...
The japanese colonisation, was more de facto then de jure, it did not last long enough to even be considered a proper annexation.
The netherlands should be the prime mention there, but japan could be mentioned as a temporary admin.
I believe the official name for Indonesia is not Republik Indonesia, but it is Negara Kesatuan Republik Indonesia (NKRI). --*drew 12:36, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I had never heard a reference to that as a name for Indonesia during the time that I lived there, but a quick look through the constitution [1] shows that it is often referred to as NKRI. However, all that really means is the Unitary Republic of Indonesia (as opposed to Federal). There is no specific declaration in the constitution that NKRI is it's official name. --Peacenik 22:23, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
In practice, it is called Negara Kesatuan Republik Indonesia only in formal ceremonies. But the formalities is what is the issue here. This term is in contrast to the pre-1959 Federal Republic of Indonesia or something like that. Julius.kusuma 23:39, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Just out of curiosity, how many of the people discussing in this page are Indonesian? I kinda have the feeling that most of you are. By the way, the official name is Republik Indonesia or RI. NKRI is used merely to emphasize things up.
I'm tagging this article as having its neutrality disputed. Not only many unfavourable aspects of Indonesia are not mentioned, the West is demonised for its actions as if they were plotting against a country willing just its independence — that is ridiculous in ignoring both Indonesia's bloody expansionism, and its siding with also bloody expansionist Communism.
HOW ON EARTH could you categorize Indonesia as pro-Communist? That's grossly inaccurate.
FYI, the PKI or Partai Komunis Indonesia or Indonesian Communist Party is the most forbidden party in Indonesia. People proven to be a part of it are sentenced into jail, as done to Pramoedya, the late famous writer who was thrown into the isolated island of Nusa Kambangan (like Indonesian alcatraz prison, if you may). So it's stupid enough to even have the thought that Indonesia as communist. And what, please, do you mean by bloody expansionism?
I've moved the infobox to a template; it seems like a good mechanism to me. Davenbelle 02:29, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC)
From the last sentence of the second paragraph under the "History" heading:
"When the Portuguese came in early 16th century, they found a multitude of small states, vulnerable to the Portuguese, and later other Europeans wanting to dominate the spice trade."
This sentence is confusing, and needs clarification (in particular, the appositive "vulnerable to the Portuguese"). Does "they" refer to the Portugeuse, or the Arab traders mentioned in the previous sentence?
Also:
"The 1950s and 1960s saw Sukarno's government aligning itself first with the emerging non-aligned movement and later with the socialist bloc, including the People's Republic of China and Yugoslavia." ?
I'm not sure there is enough evidence of alignment with Soviet Bloc; and it skates over the absorption of Borneo, Celebese, Moluccas, and West Papua. The Soviet bit surely could not relate to the 1957 grab of $250m from Moscow, that was a funny & obvious ploy to put the Americans back into line and get the $650m they wanted from Washington. It's also the same ploy they used in 1962 when the US Sec. of State wanted to support the Dutch & West Papuan independence instead of Indonesia; quickly roll the Soviet Premier out & watch Washington fall over itself to support the Indonesian land grab.211.30.95.182 02:46, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I see someome added a redirect "Indonisia". Is this spelling formally accepted somewhere? If not, why would wikipedia implicitely encourage the usage of misspellings? (google: 25,000,000 for ...esia and 18,000 for ...isia) Mikkalai 23:05, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Maybe the mistake are due to the pronouncation.... like in English, for example... I still found it disturbing, though.....
I've made an attempt to tighten up the History section here to make it more of a summary style, with details moved to History of Indonesia. This is in line with the style suggestions at Wikipedia:WikiProject Countries. There is more to do - it's still pretty long compared to, say, the same section for India or United States - but I think it now provides a somewhat simpler summary of the highlights, which is the intent of this page. While I've reworded a few things in moving them, I've tried to avoid actually removing any information altogether. CDC (talk) 07:06, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I've just been comparing the history section in this article with the main History of Indonesia article... crazily the former has more detail than the latter! Unless there are any objections, I'll move the extra detail into the History of Indonesia article and tighten this section up still further.--Sepa 17:04, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Economy summary and full page should probably be updated, as it is outdated. It speaks of "massive problems of poverty" while the poverty level reached 16% in 2004, lower than pre-crisis levels. 24.124.61.165 21:42, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
After some thought and consideration, I created an Indonesia-related topics notice board, along the same lines as other regional notice boards (such as those for Malaysia and Africa). This was established to coordinate efforts to improve Indonesia-related Wikipedia entries. If you've made contributions to Indonesia-related articles in the past, or would like to, please take some time to visit, introduce yourself, and sign the roster. --Daniel June 30, 2005 18:37 (UTC)
The article says there are roughly two groups, Malays and Melanesians. This may be true, but the Indonesian people are enormously varied. I especially noticed this in a museum in Jakarta (I believe) that had a map of the country with all the peoples. What struck me (as was probably the intention) was how many utterly different peoples there are. Not just culturally, with different head-dresses and such, but totally different faces. For example, on just one island I've been to, Borneo, there are two major indigenous groups with different skintones (Dayak and Penan). The demographics section should make this diversity clearer.
There is, however, a political implication that complicates this. I said that the Indonesian people are enormously varied. This is so much so that one can hardly speak of 'the Indonesian people'. What is Indonesia now is really just the leftover from colonial days. This problem is acknowledged in Africa, but I've never heard of it regarding Indonesia, which is strange really. It is most obvious in New Guinea. On the one hand this island has a visibly artificial border cutting through it, separating one people. On the other hand the Western half is part of Indonesia, politically linking those people to other, totally different, people. But the same goes for Borneo (split between three countries). Furthermore, there are separatist movements in Sumatra and the Moluccas. And I can imagine similar problems exist elsewhere. So this is a tricky issue to address whilst staying politically neutral. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be addressed in the article. DirkvdM 18:48, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
The article says "There are, however, many more subdivisions, since Indonesia spans an area the size of Europe or the USA and consists of many islands that to a large degree had separate developments." Using the total areas listed for Indonesia, USA and Europe, Indonesia is 1/5 the size of the USA or Europe. I am unsure whether the area listed for Indonesia includes the waters between the islands, if it does not then the article is correct to say that Indonesia spans a greater than is listed (1,919,440km²). However without a number it is difficult to tell whether Indonesia spans an area comparable to that of the USA? 02:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
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Change, As with many other developing countries, high fertility rates are still a major problem to,As with many other developing countries there are high fertility rates.
Because this may seem biased 123.231.120.143 (talk) 15:02, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Could we remove this image? I think one map in template is enough. Hddty. (talk) 02:20, 12 April 2017 (UTC) this picture should be in the show so that people know Indonesia and the island, even foreigners are less familiar with the island of the island and the location of Indonesia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.194.140.118 (talk) 01:14, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
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See my post at commons:File talk:Flag of Indonesia.svg Hddty. (talk) 18:05, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
I am not by any stretch an expert on Indonesia but I was surprised to see "slang" listed among the main languages. I presumed it was some indigenous language called "Slang", but no, it is Indonesian slang. Again, I am not an expert, but is this really an infobox-level important language in the country? I presume that the majority of British people and Americans also use slang every day (even as opposed to regionalisms, vernacular and dialect) but it would be Uncyclopedia level to put British slang as one of the principal languages of the UK. Anarcho-authoritarian (talk) 23:27, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
"Whereas, the first parliamentary cabinet, led by Sutan Sjahrir as prime minister."
Something is missing from that sentence.
"Whereas" is typically part of this form: Whereas fact asserted, action taken.
"Whereas King George has been an unwise ruler, we declare our independence."
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11 Century islam built not 13 century. 49.148.147.23 (talk) 06:31, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
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Let's avoid perpetuating the common confusion of Indonesian and Malay. Ethnologue considers the latter a macro-language and indeed identifies a few million speakers of *subdivisions* of Malay in Sumatra (Minang), Kalimantan (Banjar), and Sulawesi (Makassar). However, there are other languages NOT considered directly under this macro-language with at least as many speakers in Bali (Balinese), Sulawesi (Bugis), Jakarta (Betawi), and elsewhere (e.g., Javanese and Sundanese). See https://www.ethnologue.com/country/ID/languages for a comprehensive list of the 700 languages and draw your own conclusions. Martindo (talk) 12:30, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
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America and Britain were in a strong moral position in 1949, as they had just given independence to the Philippines and India. Thus, they could call for democracy in a Dutch colony. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scibaby97 (talk • contribs) 14:07, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
can you change the number of islands in Indonesia to 17,000, can you also replace the map image that does not include natuna as an Indonesian territory territory, can it also eliminate the dominance of Java and Sundanese on ethnic groups and language in box profiles Salami pintara (talk) 01:25, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
The word "scheme" (as in, "[...]the National Health Insurance [...], a scheme to implement universal health care," emphasis mine) should be changed to a synonym with a more neutral tone, perhaps "plan" or "program." As a reader, the word "scheme" was the most attention-grabbing part of the paragraph; imagine my disappointment when the subject turned out to only be healthcare. Ufolaulu (talk) 15:37, 31 August 2018 (UTC)ufolaulu — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.193.161.23 (talk) 14:33, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
In Cinema I see zero mention of the smash hit action movies THE RAID and RAID 2, despite them being Indonesian. Why? Tallaussiebloke (talk) 07:47, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
Original text: The name Indonesia derives from the Greek name of the Indos (Ἰνδός) and the word nesos (νῆσος), meaning "Indian islands".
The hyperlink of Indos needs to directed to https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Indus as it is already correctly put in the Article "Names of Indonesia"
I cannot edit this article as it is semi-protected — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amabau92 (talk • contribs) 08:33, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
The historical timeline is incomplete, ending with dissolution of USI in 1950 and not indicating its replacement with RI and more recently KBRI as the name that the country officially calls itself.Martindo (talk) 21:43, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
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Hi,
Is there a reason why there are links on the page to the Wikipedia pages of Portuguese, French and British but not to the Dutch and The Netherlands Wikipedia pages?
I would like to request a change for this. Because for Dutch people like me, it seems that we are undermined on the page.
Thanks in advance.
Best regards, Jeffrey Meerpoel — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.250.76.147 (talk) 11:32, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
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Data for 2019 should be 13,998 (around 14 000) not $14,840
Source List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita
or here
List of countries by GDP (PPP)
2019 GDP PPP divided by population — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.45.54.46 (talk) 00:59, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
I was the one who edited out rankings about biodiversity. I did put an edit summary then but here I just want to be more detailed about it.
@Bluesatellite: I agree if it says that Indonesia has 'one of the world's highest levels of biodiversity.' I'm against placing a particular ranking. Below is a list of sources I've come across the Internet, and the rankings vary with respect to Indonesia's level of biodiversity.
More sources do say that Indonesia has the second-highest level indeed, but the fact of the existence of other sources saying to the contrary, I believe, makes it misleading to add a particular ranking in the article. AdaCiccone (talk) 13:42, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Is DPD truly an upper house? The article at Regional Representative Council#History says that DPD is not a true upper house. There are also no law that says that DPD and DPR are upper and lower respectively. DPD being regarded as upper house and listed first in infobox (and its leader) making an impression that DPD has more power than DPR while in reality is not. Hddty. (talk) 03:55, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
I still see DPD above DPR and labeled "Upper House". MPR floats vaguely above it. The key issue is: do laws require the consent of both houses? If not, then let's not put a round peg in a square hole, namely forcing Indonesia's government into the notion of two houses. Yes, the English-language press loosely refers to DPD as "upper house" but anyone who has lived in Indonesia for a while knows that the press makes bloopers, and then perpetuates them. There are three distinct legislative bodies, with different functions. @Davidelit: I think the simplest solution is to cut "upper house" and "lower house" from the box as labels and just list the names of the three bodies. However, the box seems to use a rigid template and gave me errors when I tried to do it. Martindo (talk) 21:30, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
In addition to this page on Indonesia, there is another page called History of Indonesia. A lot of the information provided is repeated on both pages. Examples are:
I suggest that these articles should be improved by either merging them or splitting them. In the case of merging the articles, any information from the History of Indonesia article which is not present in the History of Indonesia section of this article should be added. Once complete the History of Indonesia article should be redirected to this page. Another option would be to reduce the History of Indonesia section of this article to a much shorter summary and then move the bulk of the information to the other page. --Loveleahlulu (talk) 01:40, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
Currently, the article lists 5 regions that have "special status." What exactly does this mean, and could we add a bit more detail to the article? Thanks! Toad02 (talk) 14:34, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia is the way we introduce Indonesia to all corners of the world. but on this page it seems that we haven't exploited more about Indonesia. pay attention to India and Thailand the way they introduce their identities is very strong by including many images of culture and relics of the past. I hope the editor here considers adding images to the Indonesia page. More picture like temple, tradition house, and culture heritage Kebajikan111 (talk) 11:19, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
While I do agree that not having official religion or state house of worship (mosque or church) is a criteria for being secular, it's certainly not the only one. A secular state is where the government is neutral on matters of religion or irreligion, and Indonesia definitely is not neutral. Chapter XI (Religion), Article 29, First Clause of the 1945 Constitution states that the country is based upon the belief in the One and Only God.[1]
Further, Chapter XA (Human Rights), Article 28J, Second Clause says "In exercising his/her rights and freedoms, every person shall have the duty to accept the restrictions established by law for the sole purposes of guaranteeing the recognition and respect of the rights and freedoms of others and of satisfying just demands based upon considerations of morality, religious values, security and public order in a democratic society."[1]
It's perfectly clear from the 2nd clause that religious values serve as a BASIS for lawmaking, which I think effectively disqualifies Indonesia as a secular state. Here's more evidence, among many others, that the country is not a secular state:
AdaCiccone (talk) 10:01, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
This is an important criticism but very complex, particularly if one wants to be fair and compare Indonesia to other countries that are considered secular: US, UK, France, Japan, Singapore, etc. For example, the United States Declaration of Independence refers repeatedly to Creator, Providence, and other synonyms for God that were popular at the time. Yet the United States Bill of Rights forbids the government from establishing a national religion and thus the country is considered an exemplar of a secular state. However, compulsory prayer in US schools was only banned by the US Supreme Court in 1963, more than a decade after Indonesia's Constitution was written: Atheism#Other developments.
Regarding the circumstantial evidence listed above:
People familiar with Buddhism, Hinduism, and Confucianism may well wonder how those religions conform to "one and only God". The Indonesian phrase can also be translated as "Belief in a Supreme Being" with Buddha thereby interpreted as such, etc.
This topic is important to discuss, but the actual situation is less than clear. Perhaps the secular/religious dichotomy should be omitted entirely as an outmoded label. Martindo (talk) 22:29, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
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There is a big hole in the history section, not at all explaining what happened between the beginning of the Mahapajit empire and the European colonization. Move some summarize material from the History of Indonesia article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:14BA:80AC:2C00:C41:72CF:519F:E29C (talk) 15:31, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
Driving side is Right not Left.. Please revise it.. Thank you.. Copyrighters (talk) 08:11, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
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114.125.247.114 (talk) 18:01, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi,
I came across this promising Draft:Hermeneutics of feminism in Islam (relating to women's rights) and myself supported the same editorially too. IMO since topic potential is vast many Reliable sources on Google scholar seem to be available hence the article needs more editorial hands for some more update and expansion along with appropriate references.
Pl. do join to update and expansion, your help will be most welcome.
Thanks and regards
Bookku (talk) 15:06, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
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Bookku (talk) 07:39, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
Are there any reliable sources for the demographic stats of Indonesia? Unlike other articles, most if not all have been split to a sub, and many common statistics like the crime rate are still missing --121.215.171.163 (talk) 07:29, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
The second sentence of this article says that Indonesia includes 17,000 islands including New Guinea. Only PART of New Guinea is in Indonesia. The other part of New Guinea is another country. Come to think of it, wrong on Borneo too, which has TWO other countries on it.2603:7000:9900:5F0C:1C64:8308:33BC:E2D6 (talk) 18:09, 8 January 2021 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson
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Indonesia became independent on 17 August 1945 from Japan and 27 December 1949 from the Netherlands. On August 6, 1945 and August 9, 1945, the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed by the allies. On August 14, 1945, Japan surrendered to the allies and there was a power vacuum in Indonesia. In Indonesia there are also BPUPKI and PPKI bodies created by Japan for Indonesian independence. After Indonesian independence, the Dutch regained control of Indonesia in 1945-1949. From this it is clear that Indonesia was independent not only from the Netherlands but also from Japan. 36.80.224.133 (talk) 04:14, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
The sentence "It consists of more than seventeen thousand islands, including Sumatra, Java, Sulawesi, parts of Borneo (Kalimantan), and Western New Guinea" has undergone a couple of changes recently, and I think it'd be good to reach a consistent wording. I don't think there's going to be much issue about mentioning the total number, but for the individual selection of five examples, this seems based off an unsourced statement in the Geography section. A cutoff of five is common in English, but I think it'd be good to have a source which also does this. If it is cut off at five, then there should be consistency in the mention of Borneo and New Guinea. They could both be mentioned by themselves with "part(s) of", with or without the Indonesian area mentioned in brackets following, but it is odd to have a bracket for one but not the other. My preference would be to not include the brackets, as "part of" conveys the same information and the brackets break up the flow. CMD (talk) 03:16, 12 March 2021 (UTC)