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User merbabu is making biased edits in Indonesia articles. Just because india is a poverty stricken country that will never develop and is likely to split apart because of all the lands that were confisicated from people against their will, does not mean that out of jealousy you write rubbish in other countries articles. India has extensive and widepsread use of bullock carts but you have not put any such picture on the Indian front page.
Also note that Indonesia is helping india with tractors
Also note the page on agriculture in India which shows that more than 52% of the country employed in agricultre, lack of modern equipment and irrigation facilities in indian agriculture and constant problems due to dependence on monsoons.
Please add the following picture to the indian main page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Farmer_in_Tamil_Nadu_1993.JPG
or for transport
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:India.Mumbai.04.jpg
Indonesia is much more modern than a country like india and will continue to modernize unlike india, irrelevant of what you put on a website like wikipedia. I would advise you to change your attitude or like other muslim users on wikipedia have suggested it would be better for us to make our own website for muslim countries as this is just going down the drain with hindu edits all over muslim countries articles. IndonesianEconomy (talk) 17:45, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Did someone reply? I could not be bothered with this website since its just biased nonsense and give me a break with the "peer reviewed" nonsense. Its not peer reviewed its just reviewed by biased people. You might as well watch fox news because this website is the same as fox news.
Majority of muslims have already moved over to muslim wiki and other websites
http://muslimwiki.com/mw/index.php/MuslimWiki
A more concrete website is also being planned so no more vandalism and no more coming back day after day to remove the vandalism created by others in muslim articles. We have more important things to do than come in everyday to clear away vandalism. IndonesianEconomy (talk) 00:42, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
I can't believe Merbabu still have problem with Indonesian writers since 3 years ago. Merbabu, we appreciate your contribution for Indonesia, but seriously you have to learn how to deal with your Indonesian peers, especially those who are being critical with your writing. Appreciation should come both ways, my friend. You don't own this page. So many times you behave like one. If you don't change your attitude you will be in trouble all the time here. I mean look at that, 3 years already and you still have problem with Indonesians. People who make progress is the one who is being humble and learn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HistoryTrv (talk • contribs) 14:56, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Well im a newbie here, but i want to correct one error that is circulating around wikipedia for some time now.I read statement here,from Cia and other so called media, where it says that Muslims are 86,1% of Indonesia population.Main article for Indonesia religion says that Muslims are 86,1% of Indonesia population.This is a bit funny, since during last census of 2000.Muslim population was exactly 88,22%
For further proof of this i will submit now few links.I can sincerely hope that mods and admins on this page will correct this error after those links.Thanks
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,USDOS,,IDN,,4cf2d09264,0.html
2.5.2. Indonesia: Based on census data, the Muslim population increased from 103,579,496 or 87.51% in 1971 to 177,528,772 or 88.22% in 2000.
[[1]] So if we calculate that Indonesia population now is 239 million, one year after census data.Make this round number and say its 240 million.Muslim population would be from 212-216 million.Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Denizlin24 (talk • contribs) 11:41, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Indonesia has a muslim population of roughly 91% with the remaining made up of christianity 4% followed by indigenous tribal religions, balinese indigenous tribal religion and balinese "buddhism/hinduism" 3% (balinese Indonesians dont refer to their religion as balinese "hinduism" since its a mixture of buddhism, hinduism and indigenous elemets and off late more and more balinese Indonesians are returning to their indigenous tribal religion in favor of other foreign religions) and buddhism/confucianism 2-3%. I am assuming by your usage of the word "moslem" that you are affiliated with fanatic groups? Either way this article makes no difference to Indonesians or realities on the ground. The Indonesian government does not allow any other ethnic group citizenship in Indonesia, the only exception is the Chinese population. This is more of an example of Indonesian development http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMRzVNQBzlA MetalJackal (talk) 13:03, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
census 2013 religion in Indonesian ,Islam 84%, Christian 12%, 4-5% consists of other religions in Indonesia, including Confucian. Ardy Tri Sucipto — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.219.226.185 (talk) 10:56, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
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sincean anthem is high importance the anthem box should be re-added(allot of other countries have them)philpm930Philpm930 (talk) 02:06, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
What reason for protect page Indonesia? Thanks. Mbak Dede (talk) 09:21, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Oh, I see. Thanks. Mbak Dede (talk) 10:30, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
i wold like to be an editor who fight vandalism on country pages how do i do that?Philpm930 (talk) 18:30, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
I've removed the recently added sports section. We already have information about sports in Culture, and this was duplicating the topic. The job of this article is to provide a concise overview of Indonesia. Detail about how sporting points are distributed by provinces in undue. CMD (talk) 19:31, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
I think it is important to state the numbers of ethnic groups and languages in Indonesia (300 ethnic groups and 700 languages, well referenced) in the summary lead. It give a hint to the reader about how diverse Indonesia is, as well as links to Indonesian ethno-lingual articles. I have found quite alot of articles about Indonesia having introduction (lead) like this, mentioning about high degree of Indonesian diversity (its people, language, nature) complete with numbers, so why not wikipedia? However an editor constantly revert this addition. So guys what do you think? I think we should keep this info.Gunkarta (talk) 12:25, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi, Sir, I am a new person in editing article in wikipedia. I just want to ask something, why there is no Tionghoa in Indonesia Ethnic Groups, while it's actually the largest population of Chinese overseas in the world. Since this maybe a pretty sensitive issue, I think not including maybe some kind of insult for the Tionghoa people.
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Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.241.247.220 (talk) 00:56, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Surely East Timor should be mentioned in the History as should the insurgency in West Papua. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.213.81 (talk) 21:32, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
I know "Indonesians" are a nationality, not an ethnic group. Wikipedia has articles on other "national" groups such as Americans and British or even Indians, why not make one for Indonesians/Malaysians as well? PacificWarrior101 (talk) 16:12, 5 September 2012 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
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Hi,
I have an edit request for this article...It's about how Indonesia got its independence from. It's written that Indonesia got independence from netherlands. I'm sorry but it's not entirely correct, "from netherlands" could bring public opinion that netherlands give the freedom willingly. The fact is, Indonesia did struggle to get its independence. That's why, when Ir. Soekarno declared the Independence at August 17th 1945 (and that time Indonesia colonized by Japan), Netherlands couldn't accept that decision and decided to go back to Indonesia (assisted by england) and fought the Indonesians. There are at least two major battles between Indonesia vs Netherlands after the declaration of independence (august 17th)
that's why I think the word "from Netherlands" should be replaced by "result of struggle againts Netherlands"
hope you consider this request, many thanks!
Livindaye (talk) 08:32, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
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Please reevaluate sentence: "Against the US dollar the rupiah dropped from about Rp 2,600 in late 2997 to a low point of around Rp 17,000 some months later and the economy shrank by a remarkable 13.7%." Located in the economy section. Ty
24.19.29.70 (talk) 05:21, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
The demographics of Indonesia is not up to date. Most of them are based on 2000's census. For example, in this page, it's said that there are around 300 ethnic groups in Indonesia, while based on 2010's census conducted by BPS (Badan Pusat Statistik), there are around 1,128 ethnic groups in Indonesia. The result can be obtained from BPS (go get it, so-called editors), and Jawa Pos had already published it:
http://www.jpnn.com/index.php?mib=berita.detail&id=57455 (in Bahasa Indonesia)
Go read it (if you couldn't read Bahasa Indonesia then it's better for you not to write any article about Indonesia). If I'm the one who changes the demographics, probably you'll just erase my new input (based on past experiences that I saw when other people tried to change info in this Indonesia page), thus I leave it to you. If you say that BPS and Jawa Pos aren't credible sources, then I begin to wonder the credibility of this Wikipedia. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.254.84.178 (talk) 17:07, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
How is it possible that the large map in the "Administrative divisions" section has no link to it's own image page or any attribution at all? How will one know if it's a copyright violation or not? Wordreader (talk) 16:00, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
For a country with such a long, rich, and beautiful cultural heritage, I am surprised to see such an abbreviated "Culture" section. Is there a way for you to find and recruit someone with a knowledge of the Indonesian arts (architecture, dance, literature, decorative images, music, etc) to contribute or at least advise? Thank you, Wordreader (talk) 16:07, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
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56% see themsevles as simply Muslims. I'm not sure by what you mean its not in the source. Also, Pew is a better source than the one you're relying on. Pass a Method talk 00:09, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Honestly, I have to admit that I have never been good with basic math and/or spelling... BUT, WTF! According to Wiki, Indonesia land size is 735,358 square miles. OR 3882690240 square feet. IF THE POPULATION OF INDONESIA (2013) IS 237424365. THAT EQUALS 1.6 FEET PER PERSON??? I really hope that i am wrong. 216.232.96.176 (talk) 13:56, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
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Please delet this photo ((Wide image|Free West Papua Protest Melbourne August 2012.jpg|800px|Free West Papua Protest Melbourne August 2012)) ((clear)) This is a photo whit no relation to the Indonesian history, it is a photo of people in Melbourne giving support to the OPM or known as Free Papua Movement. This photo would be better placed in West Papua (Region) section, not Indonesia. Nufix (talk) 15:41, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
Presently, the article presents the view that "relations between different ethnic and religious groups are largely harmonious, although sectarian discontent and violence have persisted". This statement is confusing, and seems to suggest that the presence of large numbers of armed ethnically-based militias (for example, in New Guinea and, until recently, Aceh) which are engaged in military conflict with the Indonesian government, llegislation meant to disadvantage ethnic groups, discrimination against religious minorities and possible genocide does not preclude "harmonious relations between different ethnic and religious groups". My attempts to partly balance this (with sources) were deleted on the grounds of bad wording. If no one objects, I'll probably change this soon. Rwenonah (talk) 14:41, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
Historical and contemporary events that provide the exception from the rule could be taqken from any year since the 1940's - to now - that is any year in that period - could be seen to have elements of parts of Indonesia in both condition - separatist activities or civil unrest in one part - and unusually harmonious relations between ethnic groups in other parts.
To balance (with sources) this article is not needed. The acceptable level of detail gets hammered away towards over detailed POV pushing in subsidiary articles, we do not need to have an issue here in this article which has invariably glaring exceptions to the rule thrown in. Thanks if you just leave alone. satusuro 15:04, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
If imposing your sense of sense is so driven, try using just one quote by qualifying "regional rebellions and separatist movements have been one of the reoccurring features of post-independence politics" with according to some writers and dont go overboard in trying to clarify by adding much else than that.
If you are on a mission to prove something about Indonesian politics or society over the last 70 years this is the last article you should be trying to make your edit at. Main subject articles about countries so complex as Indonesia always fail to even introduce the aspects of history and regional variation that require further detail. satusuro 02:05, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
Rwenonah (talk) 14:09, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm not try to defend Indonesia or whatsoever, however I think we must avoid to over generalize or simply paint black or white when dealing with a nation as complex as Indonesia. The country is far too vast and diverse to simply called it as "violent" or "harmonious". For a nation like Indonesia paradox is common, and to try to describe Indonesian ethnic and religious relations as violent or disharmonious is not represent the fact of whole Indonesia and not do us justice. Sure Indonesia has its own share of problems, but as a citizen here I think the ethno-religio relations are largely harmonious. I think this is largely because most of Indonesians agreed on diversity and pluralism policy adopted in Pancasila. Paradox do exist here, for example although there are some elements of Indonesians that went to extremism such as Islamist terrorism, yet other might went other direction to democracy, secularism and moderation, and these opposing elements are struggling. I think despite the alarming existence of religious-based terrorism, majority of Indonesians practice moderation. I do agree with satusuro that some sub-section or separate specific articles could describe the issues more detail, complete and throughly. For example if you like to address separation issues in Aceh or Papua, or Terrorism in Indonesia, there are specific articles dealing with these subjects. But if you went too much on refusing the complexity that often seems as paradoxical facts of Indonesia, and insist to paint us as violent and disharmonious society, then you condemn Indonesia to descends to the level of Afghanistan, Egypt, Syria or Iraq, and that is not true. I think it is better to take the account of impartial foreigners or observer that had spent times living in Indonesia to understand the complexity of Indonesian society and felt firsthand weather harmonious or not the inter-ethnic and inter-religion relations in Indonesia is.Gunkarta (talk) 16:32, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
I in no way meant to paint Indonesia as a violent society, and I apologize if it seemed like I was trying to do so. My objections to this statement were simply premised off of what I believe to be confusing and contradictory elements within the sentence (which CorinneSD clarified above). However, I still think the sentence I suggested above would be a better option. Rwenonah (talk) 18:50, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
Indonesia currency has changed to more than Rp.12,000 per US Dollar for several months. The article still mentions the currency from Rp.8,000 to Rp.10,000. It will mislead the readers. Thank you.Gsarwa (talk) 05:11, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
I find it strange that New Guinea, Borneo, Sumatra, and Java are not mentioned in the lead section. Maybe they can be added to the sentence "Indonesia is an archipelago comprising approximately 17,508 islands."? – Editør (talk) 15:42, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
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The list of countries that Indonesia shares a border with should include Brunei. 210.48.49.74 (talk) 00:38, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
This article says that a majority of Indonesian Muslims are non-denominational. This disagrees with Islam in Indonesia, which says a majority are Sunni. A quick Google search turns up a lot more support for a majority being Sunni. But one of the references given here does indeed say that 56% identify as non-denominational, with just 26% identifying as Sunni. But even this reference is hard to know what to do with, because it comes from Pew Research, who just a year before had reported the dramatically different result that 99% of Indonesian Muslims were Sunni. Anyone know how to reconcile this? Perhaps a lot of Indonesian Muslims are members of Sunni mosques but don't personally identify as Sunni? --Allen (talk) 03:01, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
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I want to add some details about list of big cities in indonesia. 1. Jakarta (Jakarta Special Capital Region) 9.607.787 2. Surabaya (East Java) 2.765.487 3. Bandung (West Java) 2.394.873 4. Bekasi (West Java) 2.334.871 5. Medan (North Sumatera) 2.097.610 6. Tangerang (Banten) 1.798.601 7. Depok (West Java) 1.738.570 8. Semarang (Central Java) 1.763.475 9. Palembang (South Sumatera) 1.555.984 10. Makassar (South Sulawesi) 1.338.663 11. South Tangerang (Banten) 1.290.322 12. Batam (Riau Islands) 1.153.860
source : Wikipedia Bahasa Indonesia
Thank you.
Arrymrcool (talk) 13:32, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
It's mentioned on this article "Indonesia is an archipelago comprising 13,466 islands." Please correct it with the following information.
According to a 2002 survey by National Institute of Aeronautics and Space (LAPAN), the Indonesian archipelago has 18,307 islands. According to the CIA factbook there are 17,000 islands.[1] 8,844 islands have been named according to estimates made by the Government of Indonesia, with 922 of those permanently inhabited. (Source: Wikipedia - List of Islands of Indonesia)
Indonesia comprises 17,508 - 18,306 islands and 8,844 that have been named according to estimates made by the Government of Indonesia, with 922 of those permanently inhabited. (Source: www.princeton.edu )
Indonesia, with over 18,000 counted islands, is by far the largest and most varied archipelago on Earth. (Source: http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/asia/id.htm ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indonesian1 (talk • contribs) 06:10, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
I would like to change the sentence
"Indonesia has received humanitarian and development aid since 1966, in particular from the United States, western Europe, Australia, and Japan."
to
"Indonesia has received humanitarian and development aid since 1966, in particular from the Asian Development Bank, World Bank, Japan and Australia."
supported by https://www.devex.com/news/indonesia-s-top-10-donors-responding-to-the-promise-of-transformation-78905
110.175.140.110 (talk) 10:50, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
I created a part education that got moved and edited. I am personally not convinced by the "education included in demographics" policy, but I know it is usual and I am new on this article, so I won't insist about that.
On another hand, I would like to re-add information about the curriculum of formal education. I think it is important to precise what we are refering to while saying "12 years of compulsory education". I honestly believe it would make sense. If you think the former version was too long regarding the summary style policy, I propose this new version :
"Indonesians are required to attend twelve years of school, corresponding to the whole primary and secondary education program.(same refs) Primary education lasts from 7 to 12, and secondary education from 13 to 18. Vocational Education program can be started at the senior secondary school (age 16). [1]"
Your opinion ? KaptainIgloo (talk) 08:25, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi :) My main request is to put some information about the curriculum, the place doesn't really matter. Chipmunkdavis has deleted this part of my contribution( while moving it to "demographics"), arguing it was not respecting the Summary style policy. As a response, I have tried to propose a shorter version of that specific part... I won't add anything before having his opinion anyway, as I don't want to start an edit war.
The place of a paragraph about education is another question. In my opinion, Education is not really related to demographics and deserves its own part, considering how important it is (For many states, it is the biggest budget... and I'm not even talking about the social/cultural/economic impact of the education system on its country). I also like subdivisions as it makes the information easier to find. Anyway, I already started that debate and I realized it was really a matter of taste... so I don't insist much on it anymore^^ ((To answer to your question: yep, I've seen education in Indonesia. Most of my contribution came from there) )KaptainIgloo (talk) 13:40, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
Well,it is an important part of the curriculum and it changes from a country to another. I find the information relevant while talking about the general properties of an education system. But I admit that my opinion might be biaised, as I have worked on the topic a while ago. One could just keep ""Indonesians are required to attend twelve years of school, corresponding to the whole primary and secondary education program(from 7 to 18 year old)... :(KaptainIgloo (talk) 18:39, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
About vocational Education: It is considered by UNESCO as one of the key of social/economic development, a powerful tool to tackle unemployment and poverty. As a consequence, many countries have deployed policies to improve vocational Education. Indonesia is no exception (source UNESCO-UNEVOC). That is why I like to mention Vocational Education. It is an acknowledged vital challenge for most Education systems in the world, now and for the years to come.
About the ages: here is my source(figure 1) (I like UNESCO :) ). education in Indonesia refers to another reliable document but I haven't found any information about ages in it. I'll try to go back to [education in Indonesia] some day... it has copied/pasted sentences of this source, and I'm affraid some info are wrongly attached to it. KaptainIgloo (talk) 19:51, 24 May 2014 (UTC) Opinions ?KaptainIgloo (talk) 19:23, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
i'm not quite sure about the "drives on" means but indonesian drives on the right side. right side steering i mean
Vehicles in Indonesia are on the road on the left hand side, and the steering wheel inside the car is on the right hand side. satusuro 10:10, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
I think this article needs some information about the area of the land in Indonesia.
Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 03:24, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
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Please change the first reference to East Timor to East Timor so that is linked. Please add a more in-depth discussion of Papua New Guinea, Timor, Aceh, and the war with Malaysia to the "foreign relations" section. In general, this Wikipedia article is woefully incomplete, and probably should not be locked to editing. 149.171.146.53 (talk) 06:57, 23 November 2014 (UTC)