This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Joseph Francis Shea article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
![]() | Joseph Francis Shea is a featured article; it (or a previous version of it) has been identified as one of the best articles produced by the Wikipedia community. Even so, if you can update or improve it, please do so. | |||||||||||||||
![]() | This article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article on July 29, 2008. | |||||||||||||||
| ||||||||||||||||
Current status: Featured article |
![]() | This article is rated FA-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Created this article. Will be filling in more substance as time permits. Vincehk 06:22, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm passing this as a "good article". It is well written, and the narrative is above average—that is, it's an interesting biography! Under the peer review banner, my minor suggestions include integrating the shorter quotes into their preceding paragraphs; and not using the big-blue-quotation-mark template (but that's just preference!). I am confused by the linking of "dementia praecox" in one of the quotes--did the speaker mean plain old dementia? The section titled "Program manager" narrates for quite a stretch without providing date information. I also was not clear on how Shea managed to avoid the congressional testimony in the end. With the new job, he didn't have to? Again, nice article. –Outriggr § 06:31, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your comments! I've tried to deal with them all and hopefully the results will be to your satisfaction.
Let me know if you spot anything else that needs work. MLilburne 15:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Dear fellow contributors
MOSNUM no longer encourages date autoformatting, having evolved over the past year or so from the mandatory to the optional after much discussion there and elsewhere of the disadvantages of the system. Related to this, MOSNUM prescribes rules for the raw formatting, irrespective of whether a date is autoformatted or not). MOSLINK and CONTEXT are consistent with this.
There are at least six disadvantages in using date-autoformatting, which I've capped here:
Removal has generally been met with positive responses by editors. Does anyone object if I remove it from the main text (using a script) in a few days’ time on a trial basis? The original input formatting would be seen by all WPians, not just the huge number of visitors; it would be plain, unobtrusive text, which would give greater prominence to the high-value links. Tony (talk) 13:09, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
In line 3 of the article....
Is there such a thing??? Can someone check the reference? I know of inertial guidance systems and one of their major attributes is they don't need an external input; ie: they rely on inertia to sense acceleration. Ariconte (talk) 08:26, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
I found a new webpage about Shea. I think it's quite new -- I hadn't seen this page before, although I was aware of the austonautix main site. I don't think our Wiki page refers to this site, and there's some info in the site that isn't mentioned in the article. Check it out. http://astronautix.com/astros/shea.htm
http://astronautix.com/articles/aboutica.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.106.101.11 (talk) 11:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
User:JFShea is a new user who put some comments on the article page rather than the talk page. I think he may be a source of much useful information, if we can engage with him constructively. So far his comments and edits include [1], [2], [3], and [4]. The first is the most substantive revision, some of which might be salvageable. Though the first three were reverted, the last currently stands, regarding the number of children Shea had when he died.
Note that the sources cited aren't readily available online - I don't know if they are inaccurate or if they were misread; this is an example where primary publication on Wikipedia from a named person would be desirable, if properly handled. But since that's impermissible, perhaps a Wikinews interview could serve the purpose? In general I think Wikinews might serve a useful role in addressing this sort of problem by giving principals a chance to get facts into the record. Wnt (talk) 08:34, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
I should add that it looks like offline sources are going to be a big problem here. Incidentally, I just noticed that the sentence about barbiturates was sourced to Murray and Cox, "Apollo: Race to the Moon",[5] written by the same Charles Murray (author) infamous for writing The Bell Curve. What do you make of that? Wnt (talk) 09:04, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
While I'm at it, can someone familiar with the NYT archives confirm whether this article exists, (cited about a "straightjacket"!): "O'Toole and Schefter, "The Bumpy Road," The New York Times, July 15, 1979, p. E1." I tried [6] and got no result for it. I tried [7] and got no results. I want to make sure we haven't been had here. Wnt (talk) 09:17, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
I've removed the unbalanced tag because it's been over a year without any movement. The disputed sections are cited, and a reasonable search for balancing material has been made. Approaches to the concerned editor (User talk:JFShea) have drawn a blank. DrKiernan (talk) 21:04, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
I easily obtained a copy of this through Interlibrary Loans. It is a valuable reference. The paragraph about straitjackets says:
"The Apollo fire claimed more than three causalities. One of Shea's deputies had a nervous breakdown. Shea spent the night with him, talking him into entering a rest home. The family minister arrived, suggesting the same thing. The next day the man was taken to a sanitarium in a straitjacket." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.184.203.183 (talk) 16:27, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
I tried to find the article on the Time website, but I think they have put that issue behind a pay wall.--WPatrickW (talk) 23:53, 11 October 2017 (UTC)