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Please, could disputing editors discuss here. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk)
(talk) 22:12, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
(1) she still chooses to call herself Scottish not British;
(2) do you seriously contend that support for the SYP is anything other than support for Scottish self-governance over the rule of Westminster? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:16, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
I raise this here rather than edit the article for a number of interrelated reasons, chief being that I really am mainly a Wikipedia user and haven't ever edited an article before, and because there's been such an edit war over this issue (with both "sides", including the one I agree with, behaving rather intemperately), not only on this article but also spilling over to Annie Lennox, Big Country, and Texas (though strangely Sharleen Spiteri has been left alone as simply "Scottish") amongst others for all I know, and I don't really want to step into an open edit war on my first go at saying/doing *anything* on Wikipedia.
Also, I can't pretend to be an impartial observer on the issue as I have met Ms. Tunstall and consider myself a fairly devoted fan of the music and of the person, and as an American of (amongst other things) Scottish descent, I'm a bit sensitive to seeming suggestions that there's really no such thing any more as Scottish identity.
Be that as it may, I think the following quote from an interview with St. Andrews Radio, which discusses Tunstall's deep connections to the Fife scene in general and Fence Collective in particular, may point towards settling the issue at least locally to this article:
http://www.standrewsradio.com/?q=blog/1174/interview-kt-tunstall
"Rollo: Do you regard yourself as a Scottish musician?
KT: I do, yes."
WP:UKNATIONALS states: 'It cannot be called "wrong" to change an existing nationality (e.g.: Welsh to British, or British to Irish) provided a sufficient connection exists.' It seems to me that "sufficient connection" should be founded neither in an excess devotion to nor an excess hostility to expressions of Scottish national pride, independence, or whatever. But it should weigh considerably that Tunstall is very frequently identified both by her self and by media in and out of the UK as Scottish, and that "Scottish" certainly points to "British" by obvious implication as a member of a constituent nation, whereas "British" can sometimes obfuscate Scottish (or Welsh, or NI) identity, unnecessarily I think in Tunstall's case. It also seems quite curious that this issue--a political one having actually little to do with the performers in question--has erupted over Scottish musicians, whilst Marina Diamandis, Charlotte Church, and Dame Shirley Bassey, amongst others, are named on their articles as "Welsh singers" without any similar objection or controversy or claim that someone is trying to "erase the UK" or such. Exercise to the reader, and all that.
Anyway, as I point out above I don't feel it'd be appropriate for me to actually make the edit at this point, but I hope my posting this here might ultimately lead to cooler heads prevailing and this article reverting to KT as "Scottish" as it has been for most of its existence, based not on politics but instead on the facts as they relate to Ms. Tunstall.
Zathras10 (talk) 16:37, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
If Elliot Page identifies as a man, why can't KT Tunstall identify as Scottish? I'm surprised this British/Scottish thing is even an issue, given KT's history and statements on the subject. 98.186.127.140 (talk) 00:04, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
User: JSowell98 recently attempted to add a height to the infobox. At 5' 2", I think Tunstall's height is notable although, apart from the disputed IMDB, I am struggling to find a "good" source. It seems, however, that height is not a parameter used in Infobox musical artist. So even if there is a good source, we can never know how tall musicians are just from their infobox? It seems a bit odd to put a height anywhere else in an article. What do other editors think? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:52, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
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I am not sure if KT Tunstall's Acoustic Extravaganza album is properly classified when it is listed as a studio album. My personal opinion is that it is a studio album, but I have seen enough of other evidence to make me want to ask this question. The album consists of B-sides of singles from her Eye to the Telescope album, tracks from her Tracks in July demo album, and acoustical remakes of songs from Eye to the Telescope, plus a promotional single not released on another album and a cover of a Beck song. It was originally only available from her website, although now it can be bought at commercial sites like Amazon.com.(https://www.amazon.com/KT-Tunstalls-Acoustic-Extravaganza-Explicit/dp/B000TENMLQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1470263932&sr=1-1)
The album compiles loose singles and new recordings, but I don't believe this makes it a non-studio album. I can list two other artists who have re-released a previous album as a remade acoustical album and had the albums classified as studio albums; Trinity Revisited by Cowboy Junkies, and Paradise Is There: The New Tigerlily Recordings by Natalie Merchant. I can also list at least one album and artist that released an album that contained previously released singles on their album (released before the album was planned for), and it is still considered a studio album: The Beatles released "Love Me Do" in October 1962, and then included it on their album Please Please Me, which is listed as recorded in February 1963. I am sure there are examples of songs that were on demo albums being re-released on studio albums without invalidating the classification of studio album for the more formally released album. Maybe the reason it is not considered a studio album is that it was initially only released as only available from her website. However, even here I have an example of a private pressing becoming sold by record labels and considered a studio album. Joan Jett recorded her first album Joan Jett but could not get studio's interested in it, so she and her manager sold it at concerts and to personal buyers. After the success of her second album I Love Rock 'n Roll, the labels re-released the album as Bad Reputation, but it is the same album. Therefore, the type of songs, or their origins are not a bar for stopping KT Tunstall's Acoustic Extravaganza from being considered a studio album, in my opinion. Nor should the fact that it took a non-traditional route to record label release be an argument. Per Amazon.com, it is being sold now by Relentless/Virgin. To me, this satisfies all the criteria for being a studio album.
However, prior to June 25, 2013 (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=KT_Tunstall_discography&oldid=561270347), it was listed as an Acoustic Album and not a Studio Album in KT Tunstall's discography, and prior to June 24, 2016 (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=KT_Tunstall&oldid=726466943) it was grouped outside the studio albums in the Other Albums group on KT Tunstall's Wikipedia page, until I moved it, and renumbered the listing of her albums on each of the subsequent studio album pages and elsewhere. I believe that I made the right decision, but when I was looking for references for her new album KIN, at least one magazine article mentioned it was her fifth studio album. While that doesn't mean it was KT Tunstall's Acoustic Extravaganza that wasn't counted, I don't think there is any controversy about any of her other studio albums (Eye to the Telescope, Drastic Fantastic, Tiger Suit, and Invisible Empire // Crescent Moon) being true studio albums. So for example, when Stereoboard.com states "KT Tunstall has announced her fifth studio album, 'KIN'." (http://www.stereoboard.com/content/view/200018/9), I have to believe that the writers of the magazine or the editors are using a different list or criteria than what I just used to determine if KT Tunstall's Acoustic Extravaganza is a studio album.
Long story short (Too late!), I believe there is some doubt whether KT Tunstall's Acoustic Extravaganza should be listed as a studio album on Wikipedia, or if it should be given another category. Do other users consider it to be a studio album? If it is not a studio album, what is it? Mburrell (talk) 22:55, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
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Is David Orr her birth father? The article doesn't say, or maybe I missed it. This should be clarified because we read that Tunstall "disowns" him. If he's unconnected to her by blood, it's hard to see what there would be to disown. Thanks. GetSomeUtah (talk) 08:56, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
"she spent her last year of high school in the United States[11] at the Kent School, a selective boarding school in Kent, Connecticut" is misleading as it implies that the year at Kent was taken instead of the final year at her school in Dundee. ESU scholarships don't work like that (I know, I went on one to Kent as well) - you finish your normal schooling in your own country and then spend an *additional* year on the scholarship.
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@Mburrell: Regarding this edit, KT Tunstall is not a work of KT Tunstall, so I have removed this article from the category and instead added it as the main article on top of the page of Category:Works by KT Tunstall, see this edit. That is how works category pages are usually designed. Hope this is clearer. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:05, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
The article says "Throughout Tunstall's twenties, she played in indie music bands including Elia Drew[1] and Tomoko. She focused on songwriting, as well as performing with members of the fledgling Fence Collective.
" If that really was throughout her twenties, surely that must have included from 1995 onwards? Unfortunately, that archived ref no longer works for me, so I can't check what it actually says. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:54, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
Period(s) during which the act was or has been active. Only calendar year ranges or a single calendar year should be listed; for example, do not distinguish between the period Paul McCartney was in the Beatles and his solo career." Martinevans123 (talk) 08:32, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
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