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This article consider the Kalita as well as other human groups of Assam mostly from a racial point of view. It assumes that Kalitas have been a distinctive group since ever and that their culture is rooted in their racial features. This type of approaches have been discarded since long in anthropology. The author should take more into account the possibility that the composition of human groups is physically and culturally renewed by external contribution, and this happens continuously. The cephalic index does not have any relation to culture.
Almost the entire article is unsourced puffery. Such statements having no valid reference will be removed, unless valid sources are provided. Please stop adding more such content; this does not make any sense. IP contributors and editor(s) specifically editing this article are advised to check WP:RS and WP:V before further editing. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 19:58, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
'Kaltas were originally Kayasthas' is an assumption only which is never proved to the level of reliability. However, there is another caste in assam with the name of 'Kayasth' or simply 'Kayth'. Please refer "The Peoples of Assam" By Bhuban Mohan Das, on page 35, last para. Hence, it needs a mention, in order to avoid confusion. --Mahensingha 11:42, 23 October 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahensingha (talk • contribs) --Mahensingha 11:45, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
I find nothing specific to Kalitas in terms of Language, religion or culture as are common to all assamese Hindu people. Please help sourcing the contents or addind the reliably sourced contents. Thanx.--Mahensingha 09:26, 24 October 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahensingha (talk • contribs)
Caste, ethnicity, race and religion lists cause lots of arguments in Wikipedia, please follow the general consensus:-
All names added to a list must have verifiable, reliable sources to show that they are a notable enough to be included on the list, which usually requires an article on the English Wikipedia.
In a caste, ethnicity, race or religion list, there also needs to be a clear, specific, reference to show that the person is a member of that caste, ethnicity, race or religion.
A person's last name is NOT sufficient evidence for their inclusion in, or exclusion from, a list, as assumptions based on a name are synthesis - a form of original research which is not allowed.
If the person is alive, their inclusion in any list is also covered by our policies on biographies of living people, so a specific reference, where they state they are a member of the category is required.
Someone stating, or claiming, that someone else is, or is not, a member of a Caste, ethnicity, race or religion, is insufficient.
Some people, such as Amitabh Bachchan, have clearly stated they do not agree with caste or ethnic categorization, as these are divisive. These people should not be included in any such list even after their death.
The current list on this article includes large numbers of names who do not appear to meet the general notability requirements, whist none have a reference specifically stating that they a Kalita. Names without adequate references will be removed. - Arjayay (talk) 16:43, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
There is a long-standing consensus that we do not categorise biographical articles by caste. For example, see [[1]]. Also note that the linked articles do not even mention the word Kalita. Please adhere to the consensus and do not add any link to biographies as this Article Kalita is about the caste--MahenSingha (Talk) 10:35, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
Aryan word was used by scientist and the Nazi army to show superior of the population of Europe and western Asia on some irrevelent facts during the 20th century which ruled out to be false. The scientific community at present has replaced the word with "indo-european" and the word "Aryan" is used to describe only the Indo-Aryan language of North india. As Kalita community were from North India and spoke Indo-Aryan languages before entering Assam, they should be called Indo-Aryan people or speakers of Indo-Aryan language and NOT ARYAN as it is linked to Nazi Germany. Penguinnumbers (talk) 18:00, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
WP:UNDUE states that-
"Giving due weight and avoiding giving undue weight mean that articles should not give minority views or aspects as much of or as detailed a description as more widely held views or widely supported aspects. Generally, the views of tiny minorities should not be included at all, except perhaps in a "see also" to an article about those specific views."
Now may I ask you Ekdalian that why have you reverted my edit [here], giving your own judgement "Cannot be considered as WP:UNDUE". You could have discussed the matter. But, let me explain on my part that why did I make this edit-
I referred sourced stating the Kalita caste to be high caste Hindu or the the caste next to Brahmins in caste hierarchy except the one which you added.
and may be many more who talk about Kalitas to be high caste Hindu and next to Brahmins. In few cases the sources include few more castes and definitely not only Kayastha as equivalents to Kalita. My point here was that since the article is about Kalita caste so it shall stress the kalita as major and rest all become minor automatically.
Now we can resolve the issue using one of the following ways-
I leave everything on your choice. Thanks.--MahenSingha (Talk) 17:26, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
References
Remove the "Caste" word from the title as Kalita is not a caste. The Black Truth (talk) 03:39, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
I deleted a paragraph on common surnames, and a few other observations. The entire paragraph is unsourced, and I can find no sources to support the statements Work permit (talk) 16:38, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
Sir, I would be obliged if you could inform me the reason behind removing the following content:
But this seems to be a wrongly interpreted conclusion because there is no historical record about the migration of Kalitas during the reign of King Dharmmapala(1070AD-1100AD) of Kamarupa. In the history book "Asamar Buranji", Raibahadur Padmanath Gohain Barua mentioned that the Kalitas are the aborigines of Assam. According to him Narakasura, Bhagadatta, Bajradatta etc. , the ancient kings of Pragjyotisa were forefathers of the Kalitas(Reference 15). The scholars like Dr Dimbeswar Sarma(Reference 16), Dr Pratap Chandra Choudhury(Reference 17) and many others also supported the view of Raibahadur Padmanath Gohain Borooah that the Kalitas are the descendants of Naraka-Bhagadatta.
15. Asamar Buranji by Padmanath Gohain Barua, 4th Edition, Publication Board Assam, 2014, p 4 (Note: First Published-1899 and First Edition, Publication Board Assam-1976).
16. Kamarupa Sasanavali by Dr Dimbeswar Sarma(Ed), Publication Board, Assam, 2nd Edition,2003, p140,141,142,143 (Note: First Published-1981).
17. The History of Civilization of the People of Assam to the Twelfth Century A.D. by Dr Pratap Chandra Choudhury, Published by The Government of Assam in the Department of Historical and Antiquarian Studies, Gauhati, Assam, First Edition, 1959, p 122.
I'm not expert in editing in wikipedia and have little knowledge about internet. But I am worried about the false information given by any author. I always look in to the three most important things- time, place and event, whenever I do study history. So, according to me the above information supplied by me are correct. So, please inform me the reasons for removing these contents. Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:B205:7305:87BA:F060:AEDE:C252 (talk) 11:38, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Respected sir, Mythical common ancestor invented by a human group is of great importance to study the evolution of mankind. During the process of formation of a human society in ancient time, a group of people considered themselves as the descendants of a common mythical ancestor. Also, the mythical character could give many informations, such as the origin and evolution of the human civilization. The mythical character might not exist, but the community formed under the concept of that mythical common ancestor is truth. The mythical character plays important role in determining the culture, religion and many other facts of that community. So, this should be given the historical importance. Please read the following: 1)Traditional societies are often organised into descent groups called "lineages", "clans", and "tribes". Each of these descent groups claims to have a common ancestor, and this ancestry distinguishes the group's members from rest of the population. 2) Thus, a tribe might be a conglomerate of clans who subsequently invented a mythical ancestor to strengthen group unity. [Source: The Genetic or Mythical Ancestry of Descent Grouos: Lessons from the Y Chromosome,PMID:15467979, R Chaix, F Austerlitz, T Khegay, S Jacquesson, M F Hammer, E Heyer and L Quintana-Murci, Am J Hum Genet. 2004 Dec; 75(6): 1113–1116.] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:B186:5369:7AD0:F90F:933E:BCC4 (talk) 15:58, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Again, respected sir, do you know that following fact is based on an obscure mythology that was impossible to happen in the land of Pragjyotisa(Present Assam) during 11th Century AD.
"According to historians like S.L.Barua, Kalitas started migrating from North and East India to Assam during the 11th century rule of Dharmapal."
But why Wikipedia has given place to this false fact in the topic, surprisingly, at the introductory paragraph? It's very much unscientific! Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:B186:5369:4D23:47F1:A281:AB34 (talk) 16:25, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
And all of his kamarupa related papers. PerfectingNEI (talk) 16:31, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Respected sir, It's a childish way to think Pragjyotisa and Kamarupa as different kingdoms. The ancient inscriptions confirm that both the words Pragjyotisa and Kamarupa represent the same kingdom, like Hindustan and Bharata. I think the author is just trying to be famous by disrespecting the true facts. Also, the author might be from Japan and having no field knowledge of Great Pragjyotisa-Kamarupa. But, sir, I'm from the land of Great Pragjyotisa-Kamarupa. Also, sir, only one author cannot be considered as the knower of true history. Hope Wikipedia will respect the true history, and not just a person's view. Only one book or article can't describe the Greatness of Pragjyotisa-Kamarupa. Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:B186:5369:15B8:C129:E3D5:D58E (talk) 17:32, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Respected sirs,
PerfectingNEI(talk) is trying to divert the topic. I think it's having some problems to respect the concept of mythological common ancestor of human group. Hope Wikipedia will take necessary steps for asking PerfecingNEI(talk) to understand the concept first. Please. Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.179.214.8 (talk) 18:50, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Respected sir,
King Bhaskaravarma(594AD-650AD) of Pragjyotisa mentioned his ancestry in his Dubi Copper Plate SEAL as(a part only)-
"Maharajadhiraja Sri Pusyavarma, over-lord of Pragjyotisa, a descendant of the lineage of Bhagadatta and Vajradatta born from Naraka,.....". Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.179.213.80 (talk) 19:21, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
PerfectingNEI,
First please tell me where from Maniram Dewan's ancestor come to Assam? I will answer after your answer.
Secondly, you were disregarding the reality of Mahabharata, and now you are supporting the myth of Parashurama!What's the reason?
Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.179.213.80 (talk) 19:38, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
PerfectingNEI,
Your words: "It's BhaskarVarman"
Truth:In the inscriptions the name was inscribed as "Bhaskaravarmma",i.e., "भास्करवर्म्मा". The names of all the other kings of the dynasty of पुष्यवर्म्मा contained "वर्म्मा" as suffix title. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.179.208.224 (talk) 20:33, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Respected PerfectingNEI,
I was just mentioning the true spelling of a word used by those Pragjyotisa Kings. Could you please tell me since whence the Great Kings of Tripura started to use the title "Debbarma"? Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.56.61.22 (talk) 02:48, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Wrong information about Kalitas:
Before I mention about the manipulation of wonderful history of Kalitas by some Wikipedia editors, let's discuss the meaning of phrase- "It is generally held that".
Question: What is the meaning of "It is generally held that"?
Answer: It means that among the people who claim to know something about the subject, the most widely accepted theory is that which is "generally held". Example: "It is generally held that already during this period Egypt was losing some of its power and dominance." Means: "Most Egyptologists agree that during this period Egypt was losing some of its power and dominance." Quite often this construction is used to introduce a CONFLICTING IDEA that actually contradicts the generally held belief or conviction. After your sentence, ONE COULD WRITE something like: "However, the results of our new research show that Egypt may have been shifting its focus into a different geographical area, and thereby effectively expanding its power."
Source: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/162792/whats-the-meaning-of-it-is-generally-held-that — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.56.37.35 (talk) 04:34, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
WRONG INFORMATION in Wikipedia about Kalitas: "According to historians like S.L.Baruah, Kalitas started migrating from North and East India to Assam during the 11th century rule of Dharmapal."
Original Content in S L Baruah's book: "It is generally held that the Kalitas came to Assam from upper India during the reign of Dharmapal(c.1095-1120)."
So, it is NOT according to S L Baruah ! Also, she didn't mention any reference to this assumption.
What type of suggestion was mentioned for correction: "But this seems to be a wrongly interpreted conclusion because there is no historical record about the migration of Kalitas during the reign of King Dharmmapala(1070AD-1100AD) of Kamarupa."
Reasons: (1) Already in the suggested sentence [...because there is no historical record about the migration of Kalitas during the reign of King Dharmmapala (1070AD-1100AD) of Kamarupa]. (2) No "reference" to the event is found in the book written by S L Baruah. (3) Inclusion of suggested correction is valid according to research methodology as discussed previously in the context- What is the meaning of "It is generally held that" question.
Other important information about Kalitas in S L Baruah's book that have been KEPT OUT OF SIGHT by the Wikipedia editor:
1. "Some scholars ascribe them Alpine origin, whereas, some others conjecture that they are of Arya stock."[Page15] 2. "According to some Assamese scholars a wave of Alpines also came to Assam before the Aryans and they hold that Narakasur and Bhagadatta, the prehistoric rulers of ancient Assam are Alpines and that the Kalitas, a caste-Hindu community of Assam are Alpines by origin."[Page65] 3."According to B K Kakati, the Kalitas were originally a class or phaid and not a professional caste."[Page16] 4. "It is believed by some that once the Kalitas of Assam were the followers of this religion and there are others who opine that the Baniyas and the Kaivartas, two scheduled caste people of present Assam , were also originally Buddhists".[Page14] 5. "The traditional account of their origin-that they were Kshatriyas who concealed their caste for fear of Parasuram-has been rejected by some scholars of Assam." [Page15]
So, wikipedia editors should maintain the methodology of research works. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.56.45.60 (talk) 13:27, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
https://www.academia.edu/38550206/Service_groups_in_early_K%C4%81mar%C5%ABpa_society_600_C.E_to_1200_C.E PerfectingNEI (talk) 23:08, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
@Chaipau, Ekdalian, and Homogenie: Aren't we suppose to link Indo-Aryan peoples in the related ethnic group parameter per the article? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:13, 15 April 2022 (UTC)