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I don't think episodes involving medium-to-long-term couples like Tara and Willow really qualify for the list (even if they do break up then get back together). Any thoughts on this? Contains Mild Peril (talk) 00:22, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
I also question the inclusion of Flashforward. Both Janice and Maya are lesbians, although Janice is closeted. Neither of them are experimenting and the relationship doesn't go anywhere because Janice is scared off by Maya's aggressiveness. Furthermore I'd also somewhat question the inclusion of "Once and Again." While the kiss is certainly a bit event in that episode, it didn't strike me as the kind of "experimentation" that most of these episodes refer to, but rather a closeted gay girl (Barton) and a possibly gay or bisexual girl (Wood) entering into a relationship. I never felt that the kiss between them was played for cheap ratings or titilation and the two remained in a relationship for the rest of the series (the line about Barton's character only appearing in three more eps is somewhat misleading since the series was cancelled soon after that ep for unrelated reasons and focused on multiple characters, thus precluding featuring the girls relationship in each ep) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.167.103.217 (talk) 18:31, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
I removed Brittany and Santana from Glee, as, much like Willow and Tara, they decidedly do not fit what this article is describing. Santana is a lesbian, Brittany is bisexual, and they have been officially together for a season and even longer than that unofficially. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.205.2.82 (talk) 01:52, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
House has a "lesbian kiss" episode with 13 and some random chick, and should be included on this list. Of course, 13's bisexuality is a continuing thing in the series, but it is likely a ratings stunt. This is especially true considering that she soon entered into a heterosexual relationship with Foreman. Given the maxim that "once you go black, you never go back", 13 and Foreman's relationship could be seen in the light that Foreman, a doctor, "cures" 13 of her bisexual "illness". Therefore, 13's brief stint as a lesbian is merely a cheap ratings stunt. Furthermore, she is no longer on the show. Quillaja (talk) 03:58, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Since the late 1990s, around ten lesbian characters have been tied into Australian soap operas.[citation needed] Women who share a kiss have been shown many times on Australian television, on major shows such as All Saints and Stingers as well as soaps, and the actual kiss no longer makes news headlines.[1] Two of the soap characters were involved in lesbian kiss episodes. In both instances the relationship lasts less than six weeks, which is brief compared to most soap opera romances, and the themes explored in the episode were decidedly controversial. Two lesbian characters in Australian soap operas have been involved in lesbian kiss episodes:
Program | Episode | Aus. air date | Kissers |
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Neighbours | #4573 | September 22, 2004 | Sky Mangel and Lana Crawford.[2] Lana (Bridget Neval), a lesbian teenager who recently moved into the neighbourhood, forms a special bond with Sky (Stephanie McIntosh), her only friend at the local high school. She leaves at the end of the year. |
Neighbours | ???? | February 2007 | Rosie Cammeniti (Natalie Saleeba) and Pepper Steiger (Nicky Whelan). |
What about British TV as well? This is a great source for just one TV soap, Brookside, in a lesbian kiss which was voted 25th best ever in the channel/network's history. There is no reason why this article should remain US-centric! GiantSnowman 19:21, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
References
Interview with Buffy writer and producer Marti Noxon and Professor Suzana Walters on NPR:
Ms. NOXON: We weren't confronted with the first lesbian kiss, though, but we did have to deal with some network resistance to showing them kissing, which, you know, seemed like such a strange kind of double standard. I mean, I don't know if you guys have commented on this, but there's been a story around Hollywood about a studio note that was basically, you know, you can show girls kissing once, but you can't show them kissing twice...
Prof. WALTERS: Right.
Ms. NOXON: ...because the second time, it means that they liked it, you know. So there's all these sort of strange rules if you get into, about you know, you imply but you can't show. The rules are a lot less liberal than what you can show with a straight couple, although, you know, that does seem to be shifting and changing, you know, week by week, month by month.
Analysis: Portrayals of gays on mainstream TV and the future of gay cable channels 8271 words 24 January 2002 NPR: Talk of the Nation TOTN English Copyright 2002 National Public Radio, Inc.
Just thought it was interesting. --Moni3 (talk) 19:39, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
I don't mean to be a mister phallocentric kind of a guy, but shouldn't there also be a "Gay Kiss Episode" Wikipedia article.
72.82.163.254 (talk) 11:26, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
I posted about this previously in the deletion discussion, but nothing really happened since. The table below are all lesbian kisses from American broadcast television. It's unclear why the kisses that are included in the list in the article now were chosen, some from the list below are included, some are not. Some of the episodes included in the article now are from cable, and I even spot one from Canada. Siawase (talk) 05:04, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
Series | Title | U.S. air date | Kissers |
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All My Children | 2009-02-13 episode | 2009 | Eden Riegel and Tamara Braun |
All My Children | 2009-02-16 episode | 2009 | Eden Riegel and Tamara Braun |
Ally McBeal | "Happy Trails | 1997 | Calista Flockhart and Jane Krakowski |
Ally McBeal | "You Never Can Tell" (2x09) | 1998 | Calista Flockhart and Courtney Thorne Smith |
Ally McBeal | "Buried Pleasures | 1999 | Calista Flockhart and Lucy Liu |
Andy Richter Controls the Universe | "Little Andy in Charge | 2002 | Irene Molloy and Paget Brewster |
Angela's Eyes | pilot episode" (1x01) | 2006 | Joy Tanner and unknown |
As If | Season 1, Episode 12 | 2001 | Jemima Rooper and Caroline Chikezie |
Birds of Prey | "Devil's Eyes | 2003 | Ashley Scott and Mia Sara |
Blade: The Series | "Monsters" (1x11) | 2006 | Jill Wagner and Jessica Gower |
Blood Ties | "Deep Dark" (2x10) | 2007 | Gina Holden and unknown |
Bones | "The Con Man in the Meth Lab" (4x08) | 2008 | Nichole Hiltz and Michaela Conlin |
Boomtown | "Inadmissible | 2003 | Vanessa Williams and Rebecca DeMornay |
Boston Public | various episodes | 2000 | Michelle Monaghan and unknowns |
Buffy the Vampire Slayer | "The Body | 2001 | Alyson Hannigan and Amber Benson |
Buffy the Vampire Slayer | "Entropy | 2002 | Alyson Hannigan and Amber Benson |
Buffy the Vampire Slayer | "Seeing Red | 2002 | Alyson Hannigan and Amber Benson |
Buffy the Vampire Slayer | "The Killer In Me | 2003 | Alyson Hannigan and Iyari Limon |
Buffy the Vampire Slayer | "Touched | 2003 | Alyson Hannigan and Iyari Limon |
Cashmere Mafia | "pilot episode" (1x01) | 2008 | Bonnie Somerville and Lourdes Benedicto |
Cashmere Mafia | "Conference Call" (1x02) | 2008 | Bonnie Somerville and Lourdes Benedicto |
Cashmere Mafia | "Dangerous Liaisons" (1x03) | 2008 | Bonnie Somerville and Lourdes Benedicto |
Cashmere Mafia | "The Deciders" (1x04) | 2008 | Unknowns |
Cold Case | "Stand Up and Holler" (4x20) | 2007 | Unknowns |
Coupling | "Nine and a Half Minutes | 2004 | Gina Bellman and Sarah Alexander |
Crossing Jordan | "Born To Run | 2001 | Jill Hennessy and unknown |
CSI: Crime SceneInvestigation | various episodes | 2000 | Elkin Antonio,Amy Carlson,Elena Lyons,+ more |
CSI: Crime Scene Investigation | "Big Shots" (7x19) | 2007 | Laura Vandervoort and Robin Sydney |
CSI: New York | "Grand Master | 2004 | Symba Smith and Shi Ne Nielson |
Dark Angel | "Shorties in Love | 2001 | Valarie Rae Miller and Tangelia Rouse |
Desperate Housewives | "The Story ofLucy and Jessie" (5x17) | 2009 | Eva Longoria,Teri Hatcher and Swoosie Kurtz |
Eastwick | "Mooning and Crooning" (1x05) | 2009 | Sara Rue and Lindsay Price |
ER | "The Greatest of Gifts | 2000 | Laura Innes and Elizabeth Mitchell |
ER | "A River in Egypt | 2002 | Laura Innes and Lisa Vidal |
ER | "Bygones | 2002 | Laura Innes and Lisa Vidal |
ER | "I Don't" (13x21) | 2007 | Parminder Nagra and Julia Ling |
Farscape | "Won't Get Fooled Again" (2x15) | 2000 | Gigi Edgley and Claudia Black |
Farscape | "Twice Shy" (4x14) | 2003 | Gigi Edgley and Paula Arundell |
Fastlane | "Strap On | 2003 | Tiffany Thiessen and Jaime Pressly |
Fat Actress | "Holy Lesbo Batman | 2005 | Kirstie Alley and Kelly Preston |
Femme Nikita, La | "Open Heart | 1998 | Peta Wilson and unknown |
Firefly | "The Train Job | 2002 | Morena Baccarin and Jewel Staite |
Firefly | "Our Mrs. Reynolds | 2002 | Morena Baccarin and Christina Hendricks |
Firefly | "War Stories" (1x09) | 2002 | Morena Baccarin and Katherine Kendall |
FlashForward | "Gimme Some Truth" (1x05) | 2009 | Christine Woods and Navi Rawat |
Friends | "The One WithRachel's Big Kiss | 2001 | Jennifer Aniston, Winona Ryder and Lisa Kudrow |
Friends | "The One WithPhoebe's Rats | 2003 | Melissa George and Carly Thomas |
Fringe | "Bad Dreams" (1x17) | 2009 | Anna Torv and Kelly Briter |
Gossip Girl | "Dare Devil" (1x05) | 2007 | Nicole Fiscella and Nan Zhang |
Grey's Anatomy | "Losing My Mind" (4x15) | 2008 | Sara Ramirez and Brooke Smith |
Grey's Anatomy | "Freedom" (4x16) | 2008 | Sara Ramirez and Brooke Smith |
Grosse Pointe | "Passion Fish | 2001 | Lindsay Sloane and Sarah Michelle Gellar |
The Handler | "Dirty White Collar | 2003 | Lola Glaudini and Emilie de Ravin |
Heroes | "Hysterical Blindness" (4x04) | 2009 | Hayden Panettiere and Madeline Zima |
House M.D. | "Lucky Thirteen" (5x05) | 2008 | Olivia Wilde,Angela Gots and Helena Barrett |
In Plain Sight | "Let's Get It Ahn" (2x13) | 2009 | Sherilyn Fenn and Kelly Hu |
Just Shoot Me | "various episodes | 1997- | Laura San Giacomo,Wendie Malick+ more |
L.A. Law | "He's a Crowd | 1991 | Amanda Donohoe and Michele Greene |
Las Vegas | "Blood and Sand | 2004 | Unknowns |
Las Vegas | "Sperm Whales and Spearmint Rhinos" | 2005 | Sharon Leal and unknown |
Las Vegas | "Fleeting Cheating Meeting" (4x10) | 2007 | Nikki Cox and Vanessa Marcil |
Law and Order: Criminal Intent | "Courtship" (7x04) | 2007 | Lola Glaudini and Amanda Detmer |
Life | "Dig a Hole: Part 1" (1x10) | 2007 | Sarah Shahi and unknown |
Masters of Horror | "Sick Girl" (1x10) | 2006 | Angela Bettis and Misty Mundae |
Masters of Horror | "Pelts" (2x06) | 2006 | Ellen Ewusie and Melissa Gonzalez |
Masters of Horror | "Valerie on the Stairs" (2x08) | 2006 | Clare Grant and Suki Kaiser |
Melrose Place | "Pilot" (1x01) | 2009 | Katie Cassidy and unknown |
New Adventures of Old Christine, The | "Playdate with Destiny" (2x07) | 2006 | Julia Louis-Dreyfus and Wanda Sykes |
New Adventures of Old Christine, The | "Unidentified Funk" (4x11) | 2008 | Julia Louis-Dreyfus,Megan Mullally and Wanda Sykes |
North Shore | pilot episode | 2004 | Brittany Daniel and unknown |
North Shore | "Ties That Bind | 2004 | Krista Kalmus and Marika Dominczyk |
O.C., The | "The SnO.C. | 2004 | Olivia Wilde and unknown |
O.C., The | "The Ex-Factor | 2005 | Olivia Wilde and Emmanuelle Chriqui |
O.C., The | "The Lonely Hearts Club | 2005 | Olivia Wilde and Mischa Barton |
O.C., The | "The Rainy Day Women | 2005 | Olivia Wilde and Mischa Barton |
Once and Again | "The Gay-Straight Alliance | 2002 | Evan Rachel Wood and Mischa Barton |
Once and Again | "Experience is the Teacher | 2002 | Evan Rachel Wood and Mischa Barton |
Outer Limits, The | "Caught in the Act" (1x17) | 1996 | Alyssa Milano and Sarah Strange |
Outer Limits, The | "Lithia" (4x17) | 1998 | Kirsten Williamson and Nadia Capone |
Over There | "Situation Normal | 2005 | Nicki Aycox and Cathryn De Prume |
Painkiller Jane | "Portraits of Lauren Gray(1x10) | 2007 | Kristanna Loken and Meghan Ory |
Party of Five | "I'll Show You Mine" | 1999 | Neve Campbell and Olivia d'Abo |
Passions | 2005-08-31 episode | 2005 | Cathy Jeneén Doe and Jossara Jinaro |
Picket Fences | "Sugar and Spice" (1x21) | 1993 | Holly Marie Combs and Alexondra Lee |
Quintuplets | "Shakespeare In Lust | 2005 | April Matson and Danica Stewart |
Relativity | "The Day the EarthMoved | 1997 | Lisa Edelstein and Kristin Dattilo |
Rescue Me | "Believe" (2x08) | 2006 | Callie Thorne and Brette Taylor |
Saturday Night Live | Season 28, Episode 12 | 2003 | Jennifer Garner and Rachel Dratch |
Saturday Night Live | Season 32, Episode 14 | 2003 | Maya Rudolph and Amy Poehler |
Scrubs | "My Best Friend's Mistake" (1x03) | 2001 | Sarah Chalke and unknown |
Scrubs | "My Cold Shower" (6x19) | 2007 | Sarah Chalke and Judy Reyes |
Shark | "Love Triangle" (1x08) | 2006 | Caitlin Wachs and Mycale Guyton |
Shark | "One Hit Wonder" (2x15) | 2008 | Mädchen Amick and Lisa Sheridan |
Smallville | "Facade | 2004 | Kristin Kreuk and Brianna Brown |
Spin City | "She's Gotta Habit | 2001 | Heather Locklear and Denise Richards |
Stacked | "Two Faces of Eve" (2x02) | 2005 | Pamela Anderson and Jenny McCarthy |
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine | "Rejoined" (4x06) | 1995 | Terry Farrell and Susannah Thompson |
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine | "The Emperor's New Cloak | 1999 | Nicole de Boer and Nana Visitor |
Star Trek: Enterprise | "Rajiin | 2003 | Jolene Blalock,Nikita Ager and Linda Park |
That '80s Show | "Pilot Episode | 2002 | Brittany Daniel and Tinsley Grimes |
Tru Calling | "Star Crossed | 2003 | Melissa Lee and Rachael Bella |
Twilight Zone, The | "ep: Sensuous Cindy | 2002 | Jaime Pressly and Tiffany Knight |
Ugly Betty | "A Tree Grows in Guadalajara" (1x22) | 2007 | Rebecca Romijn and Rebecca Gayheart |
Will and Grace | "ep: Hocus Focus" (4x23) | 2002 | Glenn Close and Debra Messing |
Will and Grace | "The Kid Stays Outof the Picture | 2002 | Debra Messing and Megan Mullally |
Wire in the Blood | "Shadows Rising: Part 1" (1x03) | 2002 | Doon Mackichan and Lou Gish |
Xena: Warrior Princess | "The God You Know | 2001 | Renée O'Connor and Alexandra Tydings |
Xena: Warrior Princess | "Friend in Need, part 2 | 2001 | Lucy Lawless and Renée O'Connor |
The editor who built the majority of this article was blocked for socking. I don't have much comment on the list in totality, other than what's the source for all this?, but will comment specifically on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. If the definition in the lead is the one the examples have to adhere to, Buffy does not qualify. Both relationships Willow/Tara and Willow/Kennedy were long-term relationships, and the displays of affection not used for ratings, nor to titillate viewers. Willow and Tara's first kiss onscreen was actually downplayed and not advertised by the network. Both relationships showed the characters consistently affectionate toward each other. Sources treat Willow's relationships as the opposite of what is described in a "lesbian kiss episode". --Moni3 (talk) 19:54, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
http://www.vulture.com/2015/07/lesbian-kiss-episode-history.html, part of Vulture's "Secret History of Television" series. Content in video form, some summary of it at http://www.avclub.com/article/explore-rise-and-fall-lesbian-kiss-episode-222699. postdlf (talk) 23:08, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
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