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I know you're trying to make a pedantic and obnoxious point over at List of African American jurists. But, let's just put it this way: Don't do it! If you violate WP:POINT persistently, I'll report the vandalism, or ask an admin to intervene. For passers-by, Poetlister is trying to indirectly argue that List of Jewish jurists doesn't require any evidence about whether a listed name is somebody Jewish, by vandalizing the AA list to remove names that are allegedly disputed.
As to Johnnie Cochran, your forced example is an utter failure. Aside from the suggestive picture on the page, we find:
On the linked bio:
And on the WP page Category:African Americans.
I know the Cochran article does not contain the exact phrase "Johnnie Cochran is African American" verbatim. But it gives several obvious indicators. As I say (repeatedly) on Talk:List of Jewish jurists, any such reasonable inferential evidence is perfectly acceptable... it's just that the complete absence of any verifiable evidence is not. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 19:04, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
This is not the place to launch personal attacks against other users. See Wikipedia:No personal attacks. Thank you. It really disrupts Wikipedai in doing something like this. Also, the Category:African Americans page has not been vandalised by anyone [1], so this is an example of lying to try to make someone look bad. Very bad form. Indeed, the only true claim is that Poetlister made one solitary edit, which was this one: [2], which put comments around Johnny Cochrane, giving reasons why. There is nothing wrong with doing this, as it is consistent with Lulu's own practise on List of Jewish jurists in many, many places. The Johnny Cochrane article was not vandalised by anyone. I think that a (fact) sticker is more appropriate however. As Cochrane was dark skin coloured (per his photo) the only question should be whether he identifies himself as being African American. He probably does. Its not proven though. I will add in a (fact) next to him to validate this suggestion. I am sure that there is evidence somewhere that he is African American, but until it is produced the (fact) sticker should remain. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 10:02, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
Lists shmists. Why is this list even needed? I am very tempted to nominate it for deletion. It seems to be a POV fork on List of Jewish jurists which in itself probably wasn't necessary, and has been a WP:POINT to try to justify a certain POV in the whole Jewish lists dispute that is quite frankly doing a lot to hurt Wikipedia.
I think that we'd probably be better off to wipe all of these lists including this one. But, since they remain, I put in all of the stickers, and put in (fact) tags on all of the entries where there is no verified proof that they are in fact African American (all of those listed do have evidence that they were jurists however). Being dark skin coloured doesn't make one African American, it should be noted. The qualification of what is African American is hotly disputed.
So why do we need such controversial lists? If this was created outside of any disputes, then maybe it could have some basis, but seriously this is a big old WP:POINT thing. Unless it is seriously cleaned up, I am going to put it up for deletion on the basis of being a POV fork that may never be able to be cured of NPOV issues. Its usefulness is also questionable. What is the point of it? Why do we need such a list?
I really hate lists on topics like this. Just put in category African American jurists in the individual article pages. What's wrong with doing that? Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 09:54, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
If there is some dispute as to NPOV or accuracy about this page, please place it here prior to adding any template tags to the article itself. These tags should not be used in violation of WP:POINT.
I'd like to invite the editors here to a discussion at Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Lists by religion-ethnicity and profession. We're attempting to establish uniform guidelines for these types of lists. There's been some contentious voting on similar lists at AfD. The proposed guidelines are getting a warm response. Maybe you'd like to help solve this dispute by addressing the larger problem? Regards, Durova 03:47, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
I think Durova may have put the comment about flags in the wrong place... I cannot see what it has to do with this page.
In any case, I tend to be sympathetic with the guideline Durova and other editors are working on for ethinicity+profession lists. In particular, I'm thinking that the initial description of this list should say something about the fact that these jurists are notable specifically in relation to their ethnicity. In a sense, that's pretty easy to meet for this particular list, since the obstacles based on racial discrimination that any African American jurist had to overcome are substantial; the fact a given person achieved juridical prominence despite those obstacles is notable. But we might as well be clear on it. Many of the figures listed were/are particularly concerned with the legal status of African Americans (and the legal history around this), and if so that's a pretty obvious notability criterion for this list (many jurists who are not ethnically African American, of course, also had this intellectual concern). Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 02:31, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
I've converted the list to a table, added life dates, and added a category. Regards, Durova 07:33, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Tracking African American jurists is a noteworthy project for Wikipedia. I think this list should become a category and there should be a difference between important persons who were law professors and those who became judges. Who was the first black judge ever? It's not an easy fact to determine. It seems to have been someone in Missouri who was appointed to the state supreme court for some time. It's time this information became organized and available. Right now the only useful category is African American Politicans, but that's too broad. There's a category for Roman Catholic Jurists, I think it's time this one got put together, but I don't know how to create categories.--Smashingworth 21:31, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Updated Sears entry to reflect Peggy Quince's installation as Chief Justice in Florida, 2008.
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There needs to be more on this list. I find it disturbing that there are so many Black people who have contributed to the field of law, yet are refused to be on this page. Where is the page they are supposed to be, if not this one? Let me know. Best Allie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Allieb1996 (talk • contribs) 03:59, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
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