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The Elan and latter half of the Belkar articles are just sad, not to mention (in the Elan one, anyway) POV. The article claims that "I'm a pinapple chunk" and whatnot is one of his most famous quotes, when, in all honesty, I can't even remember him saying it. We need to seriously re-write this, and consider a spoiler tag for all the OotS readers that aren't up-to-date.
Sesamehoneytart 01:01, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't that dwarf and the shadow dude from the hotel be added?
The article states that Flumphs are the "only lawful good monster in original D&D". Flumphs do not appear in Original D&D, but appear in Advanced Dungeons & Dragons (1st Edition) in the "Fiend Folio". Further, Gold Dragons are also Lawful Good in Advanced Dungeons & Dragons (1st Edition) as are a number of other creatures. I believe the reference should read:
"Two representatives of the only lawful good monster in the 1st Edition Fiend Folio were introduced as inhabitants of Dorukan's Pit, which was full of monsters that were never updated to 3rd Edition."
While Vaarsuvius has been, on occasion, referred to as male, (s)he has also been referred to as "sir or madam", [1], and in the same comic strip was referred to as both "that elf chick" and "the elf dude". [2] See also the strip in which Belkar expressed his own ambiguous opinion about the subject. [3]
It's been made pretty clear that no one really knows whether V is male or female. When someone refers to V as "he" or "she", they're simply going by what their interpretation of hir gender identity is, not what hir actual identity is. ekedolphin 08:18, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Does Haley's speech use the same letter substitution scheme throughout the whole ordeal? If so, what exactly is it, and maybe that should be included in the article? --Cyde↔Weys 16:34, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
To save work: What Haley Said Compilation--Auric (talk) 12:45, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
misdirected page
eh, theres also a helay on Lewis Zimmerman that is unrelated
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.20.122 (talk • contribs)
In Haley's description it says: "some of the other party members can't stand Elan". That is an exaggeration. Roy often finds him next to worthless and terribly annoying and has expressly stated that he would be glad to be rid of him. Vaarsuvius occasionally finds him irritating. Belkar likes him, Haley loves him and Durkon has yet to express an opinion. That makes Elan more universally liked in the party than Belkar or V. I am changing that to "Roy usually and Vaarsuvius occasionally finds Elan's stupidity terribly enervating"
I am also adding a comment about Elan being a demonstration of the fact that if your charisma is high enough you do not really need to be good at anything else.
Sensemaker
Durkon likes Elan. He has called him "tha heart o' the team" and was willing to listen to Haley's plan to rescue him. He also seemed concerned about both Roy and Elan after they were attacked by assassins.
The User with Pi as Their Number 11:06
1. As discussed extensively on the OotS' boards, Belkar's Wisdom must be 10, not 7-10. (If it was 7-9, even the Owl's Wisdom would not allow him to have the ability score necessary to cast CSW.)
2. Also as discussed on the OotS' boards, V's ability to scribe a 7th-level spell does not necessarily mean V is 13th-level. (There are no level requirements for scribing.)
Are they really necessary? It's not like character personalities can be summed up in any single quote... --Pentasyllabic 23:54, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm thinking that this article's getting pretty long these days, inevitable given the number of characters that have now appeared. I'm thinking that we should split off certain characters onto their own individual pages, namely a seperate page for each member of the Order, and a page for the Linear Guild, which is quite a sizable section. Unless anyone expresses any counter-opinion in the next day or so, I shall do this. --Tailkinker 09:38, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
A great many characters in the story relate to stereotypes, particularly those in fantasy fiction and RPGs. Some are stereotypes (V -the quitessential intellectual, Elan the dumb blonde), some are counterstereotypes (Belkar the homicidal halfling) and some do their best to fit in the stereotype role (Xykon). I have pointed out this explicitly in many character descriptions. Perhaps it should be added as a separate heading what characters refer to what stereotype. -Sensemaker
Other examples may include the counterstereotype of Roy Greenhilt, the intelligent fighter, as well as Elan's evil twin bro Nale who, like Xykon, tries to fit in the stereotype role (that is, the role of evil genius) that he has been cast in. - Numbuh3.14
How could this article be missing Samantha's bandit clan? That plotline was 20-some-odd comics long and one of my favorites! Regardless, I've added the clan information under Minor Characters. If you think it needs any improvement, discuss. --Smoke Rulz 22:54, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Miko is many things, but not exactly stereotypical. Paladins are stereotypically often pleasant and urbane. Miko very probably has a charisma score of at least 16 based on combat analysis in Rich's fight descriptions and the strips, based on use of Lay on hands, Smite Evil, and Divine Grace. She does not regard the OotS as her 'party.' The party never states that all paladins have a stick up their ass. Declaring Miko has an entire tree up her rectum HAS to violate NPOV guidelines. Haley is not, in fact, decisively greedy, if reports of her father's imprisonment are to be believed. There is no evidence Miko considers Durkon an enemy prior to her encounter with Xykon. Of COURSE Windstriker remains loyal and aids her in combat. He's a *class feature.* All paladins mounts also have unusual intelligence and are capable of understanding speech. There is no evidence that all non_Belkar OotS party members are Good. Added a minor section on Xykon's motives in permitting Miko's escape.
82.141.243.217 16:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Noticed a bit of to-ing and fro-ing on the title for our friend under the Hello Goblin umbrella, regarding whether he should be referred as "The Monster in the Darkness" or "The Creature in the Darkness". Seems to me that we should try to come to some sort of consensus on this, simply because the character's linked to from a couple of other articles, and if the title keeps getting changed, it's going to foul up those links.
Personally, I'm not terribly bothered which one we pick; my choice would probably be to call him "The Creature in the Darkness" on the grounds that that's the name that he's listed under on the "Cast of Characters" page in the No Cure for the Paladin Blues collected edition - that's presumably Burlew's name for the character, so it would seem sensible to use it. On the other hand, "The Monster in the Darkness" is still a perfectly accurate description, and it's also what the current links point to, so it would be somewhat easier to keep it that way (not that changing the links would be hard, however).
Any views? --Tailkinker 20:55, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't care, I just wanna know what it looks like and who it is!!! --Das654 20:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
The OOTS board game also refers to the character as the Creature in the Darkness, so I would bet that's the official name. My question is: Where did the idea that its a "Hello Goblin" umbrella come from? It's never mentioned in the comic, and it looks exactly like "Hello Kitty" to me. I'm looking at it in the printed version, and it's clearly a white cat face with a triangular nose, three little black whiskers on either side, and a red bow. There's nothing "goblin" about it, unless someone knows something I don't. BadIdea 11:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Once again somebody's altered it to read Hello Goblin. I've changed it back, adding a note not to change it and referring potential editors to this discussion. I give it a couple of weeks max before somebody changes it anyway. --Tailkinker 16:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
To whoever edited in that the demon roach called the Monster "Mikey": That was a pop culture reference to the Life Cereal adds of the late 70's, where "Mikey likes it!" was the catchphrase to indicate that the kid who didn't like anything liked their cereal. It is definitely NOT the creature's given name, so I've taken it back out. Ig8887 (talk) 18:46, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I feel at this point, Hinjo is no longer a minor character, but rather significant enough to be moved up to recurring character. Thusly, I have done so. And that's that then. ShadowHare 05:55, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I believe that, as with Hinjo, Redloack should have his own page. He seems to be a very important character, even moreso than Hinjo. Any comments/suggestions? Groove Guy 11:29, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
I deleted the line about Julia first being seen in flashback as a toddler (strip 113). Yes, we all assumed it was her for ages, but Start of Darkness destroys this theory. One, Roy and Julia are 12 years apart, and Roy is not 12 in that panel. Two, the Greenhilts' mother was pregnant in a "21 years ago" section, so there was a third sibling in between Roy and Julia's ages. This sibling has not yet appeared again, so there's no point in creating a separate section for him/her. 91.105.45.100 12:32, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia standard is to use references, not inline links to the comic pages. I've converted a good lot, but this is a long page and I could use some help. Timmccloud 02:36, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Should there be a section for the characters that appeared in Start of Darkness (particularly Right-Eye and The Dark One) within the list under the Minor Characters list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hanzo66 (talk • contribs) 02:54, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Would anyone object to taking this list and regrouping it by team allegiance? As in, put all the Sapphire Guard in one subheading, all of House Kubota in another, all of the Greenhilt family in a third, etc? Right now its just a long undifferentiated list, and this would also allow us to discuss each group as a whole. Ig8887 (talk) 22:49, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Someone edited in that the spell Xykon trapped Eugene in during Start of Darkness was Otiluke's Resilent Sphere. While it does seem similar, the spell is unnamed when Xykon casts it, so calling it that is Original Research. It could have been a custom spell or something else. Burlew usually avoids using the proper noun names like "Otiluke" when people cast spells anyway, so even if it were the same spell, it would be simply resilient sphere, per the SRD. I edited it out to read simply, "unspecified magic bubble". --Ig8887 (talk) 09:29, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
This is a list of characters in the comic, so should the article be moved to List of Characters in the Order of the Stick? Epass (talk) 19:16, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Why are there no subsections for the members of the Order of the Stick, including pictures? Besides, the links in Xykon or Redcloak, to the complete articles, simply redirect here. --Gonfer (talk) 13:35, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Why does Redcloak et al all have articles then? Shouldn't they be deleted too? And am I the only one who thinks putting ALL the characters on ONE page a rather bad idea? If they are not going to get their own page, at least have the members of OOTS on a page by themselves. Katana Geldar 07:35, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
I have deleted the circular references, and replaced them with pertinent information from the previously deleted "main articles" on Xykon, Redcloak, and Hinjo. ~Amatulić (talk) 01:16, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
On both "The Order of the Stick"'s main page and here their descriptions are a lot less details than that of the supporting characters, that doesn't make any sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Feyre (talk • contribs) 18:44, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Characters_of_the_Order_of_the_Stick&action=historysubmit&diff=304390609&oldid=304381017 - editing his level is reverted, because it is the 'original research or speculation'. Yet, Redcloak section can be judged as speculation and is still allowed. I'd suggest to either remove speculations about Redcloak's level or correcting Xyxons section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.243.72.224 (talk) 21:15, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
I've noticed that while we've merged all other character articles we still have the Linear Guild page. I don't think they'll be many official sources for those characters, since if we couldn't find sources for the main characters, they're minor evil counterparts aren't likely to have much more coverage. Thus I'm suggesting that the page is merged into this, maybe after a clean up to shorten it. Harry Blue5 (talk) 18:11, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Would anyone mind if I turned all verbs to the past tense (apart from future events)? Harry Blue5 (talk) 21:38, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
I removed the Order of the Scribble as I found them incredibly minor characters. I mean, seriously, this article is incredibly huge, and I thought they were just more trivia that is indulged in this article. I believe that the Order of the Scribble can just be covered in one paragraph. Going into detail to describe each member, and mostly just to say what their D&D class is, I felt was trivia, though I can understand why my edit was reverted. I have removed their first appearances, though. Still totally unnecessary imo. What does everyone else feel? Harry Blue5 (talk) 15:51, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
http://non-productive.com/villains-month-xykon/
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