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Not done: The changes are not supported by neutral, independent, reliable sources. Please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Valereee's source did not state that U2 performed on October 22nd, 2005. While your sources are not reliable. Lightoil (talk) 02:55, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
how about some concert reviews instead, will that be ok? Thomasthedarkenguine (talk) 23:37, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Depends on where they're from. The Province or some other Vancouver newspaper, yes. Some random bloggy concert review site, no. Or you could decide whether the exact date is crucial, throw away the exact date, and use The Province to support they performed in 2005. Valereee (talk) 00:10, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's a fan site. While about-self/affiliated can be used for certain noncontroversial details, why would you use one when you've got a reliable source in The Province? Valereee (talk) 15:23, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Because Lightoil said The Province didn't confirm they performed on that day. I would say the YouTube source I put is probably the most reliable because it was from that tour and I heard Bono say "Pittsburgh" multiple times in that video. Don't get me wrong, I thought The Province was excellent. Thomasthedarkenguine (talk) 18:27, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Also perhaps you may have pages mixed up but this is the Vancouver problem which then The Province is relevant. But unfortunately The Province isn't relevant for this show. Thomasthedarkenguine (talk) 18:31, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I had the pages mixed up, sorry, but the problem on both is the same: YouTube is almost never a reliable source for anything -- literally anyone can post anything there -- and listening for Bono to say "Pittsburgh" is original research. Flickr is not a reliable source; literally anyone could post a photo, incorrectly say it's October 22 2005 in Pittsburgh, and hit publish. The Province doesn't help here, but you need to find something similarly reliable for this information you want to add.
I'm afraid these discussions are demonstrating why you shouldn't be editing directly. You still don't seem to be understanding what is and isn't a reliable source. You need to go spend significant time reading about WP:reliable sources. This is the exact problem you were blocked for, and which you said you now understood.
I would say it might not be a bad idea for you to adopt a rule for yourself: If it's not listed in green at WP:RSNP, you should stay away from it. That's unfortunately going to rule out a ton of reliable sources that haven't been discussed multiple times at WT:RS -- such as The Province, for example -- but it might help you learn to distinguish the difference. Valereee (talk) 12:58, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well what if its a review in a Pittsburgh newspaper? Will that work? Additionally on Flickr I saw the datestamp on the photo say "Oct 22 2005" which makes me think "if it'snot there then what other notable concerts from around the world took place?"Thomasthedarkenguine (talk) 03:26, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Heres a source I found from the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. This talks about the tour in general and mentioned it stopped by the Mellon Arena (what it was called at the time being) "last October" this newspaper was from December 20th, 2005. Thomasthedarkenguine (talk) 03:39, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Trying to figure it out by datestamps is original research, which we don't do here. The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, like most major-city newspapers, is a reliable source. It's behind a paywall for me, but if it says in December 2005 that the tour was in October, we can add "October 2005" to the article. Valereee (talk) 12:59, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, wait, I can get it through Newspapers.com...I don't see where it says "last October" or mentions Mellon? Valereee (talk) 13:08, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Are you talking about the "Reality Check" article that starts with the heading U2 Earns Top Dollar? Valereee (talk) 13:10, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is the best I've got that isn't original research. This is from a couple days prior to the show. Thomasthedarkenguine (talk) 17:35, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We can't use stuff that was published prior to the show. It has to be after. Valereee (talk) 18:00, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You can discuss with others at WP:ORN whether datestamps on Flickr photos is original research or not, per the exceptions for routine calculation. They're the experts. Unless they agree it's not, for me it's OR. Valereee (talk) 17:54, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I would say that the "better" source is pretty poor. First, as far as I can tell, concertarchives.org is user generated content. It appears that anyone with an account can write anything they want on that site, and the site's About page doesn't indicate that there is any editorial oversight. Second, the page you link to is just an image, purportedly of an advertisement by Saratoga Performing Arts Center, but anyone could cobble together a similar image that says anything and upload it. Nothing verifies that the image is what it purports to be. I wonder why you think this source is better than the first one, from the Pittsburgh Press? CodeTalker (talk) 02:15, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@CodeTalker The "better source" was supposed to have a different link and I will go a my bad on that one, I mean the show is already listed but I'll still put the source I intended to put right here. Thanks for pointing that out, what went from me saying I have some decent knowledge with articles assisting me now turned into a learning experience that I should make sure the link is for what was intended for as I was sending the link from concertarchives.org to my father and forgot about it but again thanks for pointing it out. Thomasthedarkenguine (talk) 00:06, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well now I'm sad, I found a website that was like a Bible (metaphor) and now it's 404. Now I know how Willie Nelson felt during his IRS raid. Thomasthedarkenguine (talk) 15:53, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You had the right URL? If so, check wayback machine. (And FFR, you can ask wayback to archive an URL.) Valereee (talk) 16:04, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For a slight second I forgot Wayback machine existed. Thomasthedarkenguine (talk) 16:13, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If you'll create the tables here or in your sandbox as you want it to be, it would make it easier for people to simply copy/paste. Editing tables in source is all way too fiddly for me. Valereee (talk) 13:46, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ditto. Create it here or in your sandbox and someone can just copy it over instead of having to edit the tables in source. Valereee (talk) 13:47, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'll make a table that you can move into the article[edit]
On second thought, Not done - this table still includes content not supported by the source - the source says nothing about The E.N.D. World Tour for instance. * Pppery *it has begun... 18:24, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well maybe add the ones where the source says it instead of adding then deleting it, it felt like I was being teased which I don't appreciate. Thomasthedarkenguine (talk) 23:11, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If you would like to request for the table to be added, you must only submit the content in that request that the source supports - we should not be removing content for you if you knowingly are submitting content that the source does not support. Please remove the content not supported by the source and resubmit your request Brendan❯❯❯Talk 05:27, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ok but I have looked at the source and everything on the list is actually listed. The Black Eyed Peas show is actually listed on that list towards the end.
@Pppery: Did you look at the list provided and if you did maybe look again, I looked at the list and the show you said wasn't listed on the source was on there. Thomasthedarkenguine (talk) 17:15, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The source says that the 2010 event happened. It says nothing about it being part of The E.N.D. World Tour. I'm not interested in continuing this back and forth any further. * Pppery *it has begun... 18:51, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural decline as the block has been exteneded to a site block, and leaving this matter open for longer might be an editor waste of time. Any editor with rights to edit this page is welcome to fulfill this request if they feel strongly about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Awesome Aasim (talk • contribs)