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The following discussion is an archived debate of the Discussions, Suggestions, Consensus & Decisions (regarding ordering of lists of Living Maraji & Deceased Maraji). Please do not modify it.

Consensus Summary
regarding ordering of lists of Living Maraji & Deceased Maraji

Consensus Summary: Suggestions regarding Spelling of Names

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Name column will:

list Names as is said on official websites
include standardized transliteration of name accompanying Arabic text (at start simple transliteration following by gradual up-gradation to one with Umlauts & Diaeresis)
Common names should also be listed (for purpose of ordering)

This will be arranged as following:

With horizontal lines in cell, Common name(English | Arabic) at top then English in Mid & Arabic below

with this arrangement the Name column will look as:

Name
Khomeini - خمینی Sayyid Ruhollah Mousavi Khomeini روح الله موسوی خمینی

This will be applicable for both living & deceased Maraji.

Consensus Summary: Suggestions regarding Titles

Regarding titles it is agreed upon:

include the title in their name
- For full names: include genealogical titles (e.g. Sayyid, Mirza, etc) in their names leaving aside honorary titles (e.g. Shaikh)
- For common names: include title(genealogical/honorary) if Maraja is known by them e.g. Shaykh Saduq, Shaykh-e-Bahai, etc.

Consensus Summary: the Picture column should be the second column

The Picture column will be moved to second column position.

Consensus Summary: Suggestions regarding Years of Birth/Death

We'll be including Lunar Hijri years to the Year of Birth & Year of Death, with horizontal line in mid having CE year above and AH below.

Format of Year columns will be as below:

Year of Birth CE AH^[1]	Year of Death CE AH^[2]
810 250	941 329

Consensus Summary: Suggestions regarding ordering - List of Living Maraji

arrange list as per the common names (& not the full names) means names of Marja as he is known to general public without any prefixes like Al, Agha, Aqa, Syed, Mirza, etc.

Dictionary method will be applicable here to arrange similar/same common names, e.g. take case of Bashir Hussain Najafi & Mohammad Hussain Najafi; while listing we'll use Najafi - Bashir Hussain & Najafi - Mohammad Hussain; so we'll place Bashir Hussain Najafi before Mohammad Hussain Najafi.

Year of Birth will be used as a back-up option for arrangement if in case there is no difference in the name altogether; in such cases person having earlier Year of Birth will be placed above another who has later Year of Birth.

Format & Formating: We will have Common Name (which is name of Marja as he is known to general public without any prefixes e.g. Sistani, Najafi, Montazari, Khamnei, etc.) above horizontal line and below it Full Name e.g. Sayyid Ruhollah Mousavi Khomeini' with all titles, prefixes & suffixes. Default ordering will be according to Common Name. e.g.

Name
خمینی Sayyid Ruhollah Mousavi Khomeini روح الله موسوی خمینی

Consensus Summary: Suggestions regarding ordering - List of Deceased Maraji

List will begin with the marja that died the earliest at the top and finish with the most recently deceased at bottom.

Decisions

We have arrived on consensus after discussing suggestion and decided that new look of list will be as following:

List of Living Maraji

It will look like as follows:

S No	Image	Name	Year of Birth^[3] CE AH	Birth Place	Education	Residence	Website	Notes
1	File:Ali Khamenei,.jpg	Khamenei - خامنئي Sayyid Ali Hoseyni Khamenei السيد علي الحسینی الخامنئي	1939 1358	Iran	Iraq & Iran	Iran	Official Website	-
2	File:Ali Sistani.jpg	Sistani - سيستاني Sayyid Ali Husayni Sistani السيد علي الحسيني السيستاني‎	1930 1348	Iran	Iraq	Iraq	Official Website	-

List of Dead Maraji

It will look like as follows:

S No	Image	Name	Year of Birth^[4] CE AH	Year of Death^[5] CE AH	Birth Place	Education	Death	Website	Notes
1	-	Shaikh Saduq - شيخ صادق Abu Jafar Muhammad ibn Ali ibn Babawaih al Qummi أبو جعفر محمد ابن علي ابن بابويه القومي	918 305	993 383	Iran	Iraq	Iran	Biography	-
2	-	Khoei - خوئي Seyyid Abu Qasim Musawi Khoei سيد ةبولقاسيم موسوي الخوي	1899 1316	1992 1412	Iran	Iraq	Iraq	Official Website	-

Editors who took part in the Discussion

Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider Rizvi^talk!, IsaKazimi (talk), NEDian (talk), عيسى (talk), Theverdict111 (talk)

Please do not modify it.

References

^ The abbreviation CE refers to the Common Era solar calendar, while AH refers to the Islamic Hijri calendar (lunar calendar)
^ The abbreviation CE refers to the Common Era solar calendar, while AH refers to the Islamic Hijri calendar (lunar calendar)
^ The abbreviation CE refers to the Common Era solar calendar, while AH refers to the Islamic Hijri calendar (lunar calendar).
^ The abbreviation CE refers to the Common Era solar calendar, while AH refers to the Islamic Hijri calendar (lunar calendar).
^ The abbreviation CE refers to the Common Era solar calendar, while AH refers to the Islamic Hijri calendar (lunar calendar).

Maraji'

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An apostrophe also is needed at the end. Because in Perso-Arabic scripts ع is a stopping consonant, Like in Sa'ad (سعد). Aminabzz (talk) 11:47, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Number 10 Muhammad Taqi Majlesi Isfahani is dead several months ago.

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Number 10 Muhammad Taqi Majlesi Isfahani is dead several months ago. 2600:1700:1950:7C10:9097:4ED0:31D0:7D4A (talk) 04:57, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]