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Had the writer titled this article "Longevity Stories," or "Ancient Longevity Accounts," then there would be no dispute.I believe that the author was fully aware of this, and deliberately categorized religious accounts as 'myth' and is using obfuscation when challenged on the use of the word. By having a floating meaning of the word 'myth' the author seeks to continue to be denigrating towards religion. Even if there is a technical definition of the word 'myth' that may be used with a pretense of being accurate, it is admitted that when the word 'myth' is used, it is meant that something is not true; and I'm sure the author of this article is fully aware of this fact. If the same word 'myth' were used to categorize evolution, such as "The Myth of Evolution," then there would be a firestorm of challenges that would have resulted in a very quick retraction of the use of the word myth to describe evolution although technically evolution is a myth.
Proof: Mirriam Webster Dictionary, Definition of myth 1a:a usually traditional story of ostensibly historical events that serves to unfold part of the world view of a people or explain a practice, belief, or natural phenomenon. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/myth
The Bible's use of the word 'myth' to describe genealogies means nothing when one considers that the Biblical author could be speaking of genealogies of other belief systems such as the Roman claim that Roman emperors descended from Romulus, or Aeneas. The Romans were occupying Judea during the time Timothy called geneaologies "myth." The Biblical writer could have been biased, but that does not make the use of the word 'myth' a fair one, even from a Biblical person, when it is not challenged in the Bible by a person of another faith. There are other religions mentioned in this article which are accounts that are taken seriously by the followers of of the very religions this article seeks to denigrate with a pretense of being written by a clueless, oblivious, naive (some people would say 'innocent') writer.
Remedy: Change the title of the article such that it is not biased towards any group. To call religious accounts a 'myth' is biased towards atheism. To say that these accounts are true are biased towards every religion even though each may actually believe that their counterparts are not true. The word "accounts" is better than myths because it allows religious and humanistic points of view to argue their position in history without having an article making a declaration of his/her atheistic beliefs as if those beliefs are fact. If there are no 'modern' accounts that something happened (even though there are ancient ones), then equally, and opposite, it must be admitted that there is no modern account that something did not happen. Not to mention all of our accounts will seem ancient to some group of people in the distant future. If we follow this author's point of view then we may as well get a head start and say that cars are a myth since when fuel runs out, people will be back to riding horses.
Trounds2 (talk) 18:42, 12 June 2020 (UTC) Tyrone Rounds [1]
References
Rama a popular avatar of Vishnu ruled his kingdom Ayodhya for 11,000 years according to the Ramayana. Source:Balakanda sarga 1 shloka 97. Rama's father Dasharatha lived for more than 60,000 years Source:Balakanda sarga 20 shloka 10. I am unable to edit this page to add these. If anyone can edit please add these 2. Iamsreeman (talk) 19:20, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Taṇhaṅkara lived for 100,000 years. Vipassī lived for either 80,000 or 100,000 years. In Vipassī's time, the longevity of humans was 84,000 years. Sources are already given in those respective pages. Iamsreeman (talk) 19:24, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Bhagiratha did tapas for 1000 deva or god years (360,000 years in Human years) to please Ganga, to gain the release his 60,000 great-uncles from the curse of saint Kapila. So, Bhagiratha lived for more than 360,000 years. Source: [1]https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m03/m03108.htm Iamsreeman (talk) 19:39, 5 July 2022 (UTC).
Edit: wikipedia now allowed me to edit and I added the last 3 messages.
We are told in the book 'Macrobii' that Nestor lived for 3 generations, but there's no basis/source I know of that the greeks thought that 1 generation == 100 years. There's more evidence to suggest they thought 3 generations == 100 years. Herod. 2:142: "Three generations of men make one hundred years." So change Nestor 300yrs -> 100 yrs And Tiresias 600yrs -> 200 yrs 110.22.22.218 (talk) 08:25, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
I believe that Chesten Marchant is a significant enough figure to warrant his own page, as the last reported Cornish monoglot and claims about his age seem to me to be interesting enough to justify it. At the moment, all links to him redirect here, and I cannot figure out how to fix that as he isn't technically red-linked, so I can't see how to create a page for him. Apologies if I'm asking an unnecessary question, I would like to create this page, however, I cannot see how at the moment. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Deadexcel (talk) 20:01, 17 February 2024 (UTC)