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Lord Soth: minor fancruft. Wile E. Heresiarch 05:34, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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Just curious what, in this instance, could be considered canon and what would not? Weis & Hickman, being the original authors, would seem to have priority; then again they have stated multiple times that they were not the owners of the character(s), rather TSR (and later WoTC) were.
Example:
the info on Caradoc, while interesting and well written, is not necessarily canon, as he only became a character in Soth's mythos in the Ravenloft novel, Knight of the Black Rose. At no point does the seneschal exist in the novels by W&H, either before or after the Ravenloft novels. Furthermore, W&H seemed to take exception to his use in Ravenloft, stating that Soth had never left Krynn, and that the Soth in Ravenloft was not the real Lord Loren Soth. (sorry, cannot for the life of me find a link) Now, though they are not the owners of the character, they are the authors, and in point had him appear in Dragons of Summer Flame, conflicting with his existance in Ravenloft.
So my question, I suppose, is what is canon in Soth's histories and what is not? what is classed as canon? I understand, unfortunately, that it's hard to weed out conflicting histories, particularly in Dragonlance, but there has to be a line in the sand somewhere, and the comments about Soth becoming a lich, and his soul being tied to a cursed coffer, while again, interesting, seem to me completely new and not canon at all.
Thoughts? Arguments? Criticism? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.38.59.90 (talk • contribs) .
Just looking for clarification, or maybe I'm nitpicking, I'm not sure. In the Undead Curse section it mentions that in following the quest laid out by the gods Soth would be killed, however in retrieving the artifact from the coffer it states that the coffer housed his soul, turning him into a type of lich. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't retrieval of the artifact make him into an evil undead creature, thereby dooming his quest from the start? I mean, the vision Isolde had said specifically that he would die in the process of stopping the Kingpriest, but a lich who has their mortal remains destroyed does not die; instead their soul returns to their phylactery, in this case the coffer.
Is this an error in the facts of Soth's history or in the logic behind his quest? I suspect it might simply be the wording in the article but I don't have the source material to check against.
I'm probably nitpicking anyway.
Seems very Darth Vader/ evil dread lord. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.84.1.2 (talk) 16:20, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Lord Soth was a normal character much like you or me at a young age......however....his companion did not survive with him intact...she lived...the M took the name and made it real for his sacrifice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.205.253.214 (talk) 07:15, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot (talk) 07:43, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
At the time of writing, no reliable secondary sources providing evidence of notability for the fictional character Lord Soth are cited in this article. The article has many primary references (citations from the author & publishers), but none that are reliable seconary sources that are independent of the subject matter and provide any real-world evidence that this fictional character is notable outside of the source material. I request that the notability template be restored to this article.--Gavin Collins (talk) 10:26, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Anyone else ever played Heroes of Might and Magic 3 and noticed how SIMILAR this guy looks to Nagash? Murdersaurusrex (talk) 04:34, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
[3] - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 20:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Is there any canon information as to what is under his armor? It would seem to make more sense that he is incorporeal under there (I heard he is a transparent spectre) with his red eyes that aren't shaped like human ones. But in Spectre of the black rose he takes off his helmet and drinks water from the lake, an incorporeal being couldn't do this. The snare (talk) 01:02, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
I don't really think destroying one with weapons or magic matters with regard to what is under the armor. You can destroy a spectre or ghost too with weapons and magic, that doesn't mean they aren't incorporeal. And, actually you couldn't destroy Soth this way. If you killed him (in Ravenloft at least) he'd reform on his throne 2d6 days later. The snare (talk) 12:15, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
I seem to recall that they mention it in the book Spectre of the Black Rose. I do believe they said his skin (he pulled off a gauntlet after being wounded by a magical dagger) was grey almost to the point of being black, and dessicated, or something like that. I have the book in my room somewhere, so when I come across it next, I'll double check. - NemFX (talk) 20:54, 3 February 2013 (UTC)