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I was surprised to see that the wiki article on Hammer claims he sold out. In all seriousness in order for one to be considered a sell out doesn't one have to have some measure of legitimacy to start with to sell out? In a rap culture of NWA, Run DMC, and Public Enemy - MC Hammer was a black Vanilla Ice. Hell, Vanilla Ice had more street cred than Hammer. Hammer was made for white suburban people from the onset.
¶ I think mention should be made of a TV commercial aired in 2005 for Nationwide Insurance (& financial planning): It begins with Hammer and what appears to be his dance troupe performing "You Can't Touch This" in front of what is clearly a fabulous mansion, with a glowing banner displaying an enormous "H" hanging from the balcony, as moving men bring in an enormous portrait of him. Then the screen goes to black with the caption "Fifteen minutes later..." and the picture then shows Hammer sitting on the grass outside the same mansion next to a realtor's For Sale sign, with the additional word "Foreclosed", as moving men in the background take the same enormous portrait out of the mansion, remove the H from the balcony and load his sportscar onto a flatbed truck, followed by the message "Life comes at you fast." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_ngpyRuFg8 . Hammer was willing to be humorous about his meteoric career in return for a paycheck for the commercial. Sussmanbern (talk) 03:07, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
FYI: the comment about Hammer being made for suburban whites is also racist. Hammer didn't go to a white record producer and ask for help/funding (or willing to dance in baggy pants to sell records), he was selling music from his trunk and recording his own tracks. A record label came to him after hearing a song of his. If you look at the audiences of many black artists like you mention above (ie. NWA) or even Michael Jackson, you will see in music/archive videos that many [fans] are white. Whites are the ones who were spending money on the music, so if he's a sell out because so many whites liked him, then so is Will Smith, NWA, MJ and many others. A white guy (co)-founded rap groups like DMC and Beastie Boys. "White" record producers gave life to many black artists. If whites were spending money on concerts and albums, that doesn't make the singer the sell out. If blacks want to take ownership of a talent after the fact, especially once they die (claiming they were one of them), just look at who was paying for the music and concerts. More often, even with black gangsta rappers, were white. That is not why Hammer is a sell out. This isn't a racial issue. It's a commercial and image or music style change that caused him to be considered a "sell out". Stick to the facts, not contentions/assumptions. Don't confuse "sell out" with the color of somebody's skin or someone's upbringing/lifestyle/experiences, etc. (That is disrespectful, insulting, bigotry and foolishness.) Thanks! :) P.s. Hammer started before Ice did. 74.62.92.20 (talk) 22:12, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
I've removed the clean-up tag that has, since January 2011, noted that it reads like a newspaper article. There have been several improvements since then. If you feel there are some spots that are still too much like a newspaper rather than an encyclopedia, please leave a note here. Be specific. Folklore1 (talk) 03:45, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
Is anyone willing to create an article linked from this article for Dance Jam? If anyone is creating a page before I do, please advise. Thanks! (re: Hammer's dancejam.com website.) 69.129.170.102 (talk) 05:48, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Is there a problem with the references? There are multiple references listed for the same numbers. Alphius (talk) 22:07, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Which one is it? I see both versions used through the article. /EDIT: Oh sorry all, disregard this entry; I see now that this has already been discussed. I am leaving the entry as it is (i.e. not delete it) for historical/archive purposes. ;) --Wayfarer (talk) 04:02, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Regarding difficulties with saving edits after unrelated changes were made by some users (ie. 209.103.209.92), statements such as these were not allowed to save again, even though they were pre-existing within the respective sections of the artcile and edits were accurate:
For example, the use of "gangsta" even in context, was the reason the edit was "flagged" with an error message. Either report it or remove it. This is just an "fyi". 64.134.54.102 (talk) 10:27, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Discuss on talk page and with a concensus changes can be made. It is sourced. MANY articles including Hammer's list associations that may be once or more. You can prove a lack of other contributions between the two artists. Just because every/all activities aren't mentioned within the article does not mean they don't associate together (not everything is public/common knowledge). Regardless, I can give you other examples of one-time associations with other artists as well. This is petty and seems to be sabotage (deliberate suppression of facts). Please stop creating an edit war so that you achieve your agenda. Thank you! 99.129.112.89 (talk) 00:44, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
The article has been changing between Psy, PSY and Psy (entertainer). PSY or Psy is accepted. Stylized publicly as PSY but considered Psy. (Ie. MC or M.C. Hammer) Keep it linking to the article as Psy (entertainer) though. Psy or PSY not as important. I removed a prior section about this topic already because I thought it was resolved. It can be viewed from history. I originally entered it as Psy. Another editor changed it to PSY. Then it was Psy (entertainer) a couple of times or just PSY. So I updated it as it was being discussed and/or changed on Psy's talk page and article. Please just leave as is until/unless the article for the artist changes. Thanks... 99.129.112.89 (talk) 01:29, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
Some "notes" to myself for possibly moving sections/info, creating articles and updating this article or related articles about (ie. Diss tracks, hip hop rivalry, answer song, artist's songs/albums such as 2 Legit 2 Quit, Let's Get It Started, Feel My Power and a mostly fun/pop album with Please Hammer, Don't Hurt 'Em as an attempt not to attack rappers/djs as in prior records; considered 'hardcore' prior to "U Can't Touch This" and again with The Funky Headhunter, etc.):
99.129.112.89 (talk) 19:17, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
"Too Legit to Quit" and "2 Legit 2 Quit" are used many times throughout the article and beyond, often in the same line. Which is the actual song/album title? (no user signature left)
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Why is he subtitled as “awesome rapper”? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:4020:8E00:DD22:CDC1:B751:2F6A (talk) 13:33, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
My recent interactions have make it quite clear that MadWiki1, RandoEditing, and likely many of the redlink users on the revision history page, are likely sock puppets of a banned editor. I'm guessing KillerGho$t. Can someone who has been watching this page for longer shed some light on the situation? LK (talk) 12:42, 15 May 2022 (UTC)