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This article has a large amount of unreferenced content, in my opinion caused by a botched merge from French dynastic disputes in 2018. According to Who Wrote That?, 84% of Monarchism in France was written by site-banned Flooded with them hundreds (talk · contribs); that is largely a result of Fwth adding 73kb of content in this edit of 11 July 2018 following a MERGE closure in this 2017 Afd.
Someone at the Afd quoted Whaleyland's PROD statement at French dynastic disputes from 26 Jan. 2017 (perma):
The article has been tagged as disputed, original research, and point-of-view since April 2015. Numerous editors have discussed in detail on the Talk page the problems of this article. It is one sided, focusing almost exclusively on the merits of Legitimism over Orléanism and Bonapartism (neither of which are given much space in the article). Furthermore, this article lacks credible sources for the amount of content it contains. Despite well-made arguments on this page, this material is not encyclopedic and does not contribute meaningful, reliable information to the Wikipedia reader base. Ultimately, it reflects almost exclusively the original research of User:Reigen and the content is entirely biased and disputed.
What appears to have happened, is that after the Afd, Fwth "merged" by simply copying all this unsourced OR into Monarchism in France in July 2018. (One day prior to turning French dynastic disputes into a redirect, it was 73,814 bytes long (perma)). No true "merge" was ever carried out; the uncited OR from the Afd article was merely dumped here. I rather agree with K.e.coffmans Afd comment: "Redirect to Monarchism in France as largely uncited OR, per WP:TNT;" but that never happened.
So, now it's 2022, and this article is not better than before the merge; it's worse, and contains all the flaws imported from "French dynastic disputes" that were noted by Whaleyland in 2015. I think rolling back to rev. 827990510 of 22:31, 27 February 2018 must be considered as one option, despite the fact that there have been 87 revisions by 49 users since then (including a dozen of mine). Good edits since then can be restored after a rollback. I'm not sure what other option is available. Pinging participants from that Afd: @Whaleyland, Premeditated Chaos, Chris troutman, Comte0, Peterkingiron, Smmurphy, K.e.coffman, and Sandstein:. Thoughts? Mathglot (talk) 05:53, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
Rolled back to rev. 827990510 of 22:31, 27 February 2018. More participation would have been nice, but this discussion has been open for a week, and no other comments were forthcoming. Further comments are still welcome, either on reversing it, or on carrying forward from this point with better referencing and improved content, or even for deletion, as one editor favors. Thanks for participating, Mathglot (talk) 09:11, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
In English printed books, an ngrams search for "Legitimists and Orléanists" (spelled with, and without the accent) appears to show that Orleanists (without the accent) is preferred by 10:1 over Orléanists since 1980. (The gap was even wider in the past, and has narrowed to 10:1 since then.) Based on this, we should use the unaccented version.
Similarly, House of Orleans is preferred by about 4:1 over House of Orléans (higher in the past). Mathglot (talk) 07:00, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
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