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This article relies heavily on the first chapter of Detienne's "les maîtres de la verité" but the book isn't mentioned anywhere... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.64.40.23 (talk) 18:09, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
There's also a (Britpo) band named Muse.
This article makes the statement that originally there were 3 Muses, but later they were 9 in number -- & with different names. (This claim is also repeated in Zeus.) A quick look at my primary Greek Mythology reference -- H.R. Rose's A Handbook of Greek Mythology, which is usually reliable & very detailed -- does not mention this fact. Can someone offer verification that this was the case? -- llywrch 22:29, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Added the reference to chapter and verse of Pausanias. Bacchiad 23:49, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Somebody please complete the sentence in 4th para in section "Cults of the Muses". "... in Boeotia all played host to festival in which poetic recitations were". The sentence just ends there abruptly. Jay 21:09, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I added the "functions in literature" section, and also listed the props and poses often associated with certain muses. Whaddaya think?
I liked it. The only (small) problem I saw was the formatting. For literary block quotes, it's preferred to use
rather than
spaces to format it like this.
Bacchiad 21:02, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Kickin'.
The spaces showed automatically when I pulled from another site, so your change is appropriate and welcome.
-Circular 2:46AM, 28 Dec 2004 (PCT)
I found the article very interesting. Does anyone know anything about modern Muses? I'm curious about where artists and creative people in particular get their inspiration from. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
The accompanying painting is of the three Graces, not the Muses.
Hello classicists! Recently a moon of Jupiter (planet) was named Helike. The namers state that Helike was one of the Muses. I don't see this named listed here and am wondering whether it was actually an alternative name for the whole group, since they came from Mount Helicon. Is this correct? (I've tried googling to no avail). The Singing Badger 21:48, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Mosaic indeed derives from Medieval Latin musaicum: "work of the Muses". The root out of which Greek "Mousa" originally stems is *menth- whose basic meaning is "to know", "to learn". So they are "the Ones Who Know"; this is why they are invoked by poets, so as to tell them the truth, although the Mousai have also claimed (in Hesiod) that they can lie as well. Kalliope means "she of the beautiful voice". If the name has been given to an instrument or when I can't tell. Lucius Domitius 03:10, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
The name "Cleopatra" is a composite of "kleos" which means "glory", "renown" and "pater", meaning "father": her name essentially means something along the lines of "she who comes from a glorious father", or "she who is of a glorious pedigree" in more general terms. You are correct in that "kleos" and the name "Kleio" are of the same root, that is *kleu-, which essentially means "to hear". One cannot really say what "Kleio" means by the way, perhaps it is "the renowned one" or "she who knows the deeds of renown" i.e. history. Lucius Domitius 00:29, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
when are the names first attested? Does Hesiod have them? Or does Hesoid have the4 number nine? 85.232.167.109 17:32, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
It is already in Hesiod's "Theogony"; the catalogue of their names is in lines 77-9. They are nine in number (line 60), probably something to do with the fact that Zeus was having intercourse with Mnemosyne, their mother, for nine days (lines 53-6). Lucius Domitius 17:10, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
I think this article is lacking information for the use of the word for a real living person. The first four headings only talk about mythical persons. The heading The concept of the Muse-poet somewhat goes into the other direction, but really just consists of a quote that does not say very much about the woman. So there is only this sentence left: The word muse may be used figuratively, to denote someone who inspires an artist. in the misc section. Have a look at the German Wikipedia articles: muse (mythical) and muse (relationship), the are not very good, but have about equal length. --84.178.77.42 20:48, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
However beautiful their poetry, perhaps we should not include Shakespeare, Dante and Milton among the Classics? Surely there must be other surviving Greek authors who invoked the muses. Could we put the more "modern" examples in a subsequent subsection? cladist Oct 4 2006
What about Edmund Spenser's poem "The Teares of The Muses"? It seems relevant to this article. Kestrel7 21:47, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Multiple disambiguation is not used on article pages, in wikipedia per the wikipedia disambiguation guidelines. This guideline states that where the user may be searching for something else, a link is provided. It is perfectly reasonable to provide a direct link to another article where there is one other use (as per the edit comment in Renesis13's edit - it provides an example where one other use for "ColdFusion" ).
However, the guidelines also clearly state that:-
The Muse (disambiguation) page has 19 separate articles for the term (although 4 are redlinks). Disambiguation pages are provided specifically to avoid multiple disambiguation in articles. Guinness 11:24, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't think the band Muse reaches the level of common-ness for inclusion in the base-name article along with the dab, though, even though I agree that in some cases a secondary use could. -- JHunterJ 22:37, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Aren't those associated with film and television, respectivly?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 03:57, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the section on the National Science Foundation MUSE project and all links to related web sites. It has nothing to do with muse in this context, and its entry has a link on the muse disambiguation page. PacificBoy 15:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
There appears to be vandalism one that page that states "Andrew is gay". I'm deleting now --
what is with this weasel word banner hegemony. "weasel word" is such a nancy way of complaining about the phrasing, put that banner somewhere else it's seriously detracting from the aesthetics of a wiki. ("weasel words"?!? too casual! sounds hokey! lends an undue air of amateurness to wikipedia! stupid!) and what's with the wiktatorship? i can't delete the banner myself. this banner is anti-wiki.
The article at Thelxinoe (Moon) states that the moon is named for a muse, one of muses. A quick google of the name has revealed websites saying the same thing. I don't have a primary source so I can add her to the article, so I'm hoping someone else will do some investigating. T@nn 09:21, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I posted at User:Ajuk's Talkpage the following note:
(edit conflict) In case anyone thinks this is frivolous carping, there are more than 600 links to Muse, the vast majority of which need to link to Muse (Greek mythology). Anyone care to help? Any fans of Muse (band) out there reading this? silence. beat. beat. ...pin drops. --Wetman 18:35, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I propose making this a redirect to Muse (disambiguation). --Kimontalk 16:25, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Anyway to find out what is more commonly searched for the band or the greek thing? Maybe is should redirect to Selma Hayek? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ajuk (talk • contribs) 21:02, 22 April 2007 (UTC).
OK but this redirect fixes the links for now right? Ajuk 22:04, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Comments moved from (now-deleted) Talk:Muse. --Stemonitis 06:54, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Doesn't mouseion (museum in English) literally mean "sacred grove" (of the muses)? If so, this should be noted in the article. Badagnani (talk) 04:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
a muse i salso a inspiration; or a guiding spirit —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.16.53.81 (talk) 02:12, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
a muse is further a strengthening; mind supporting unique and close felt friend and kindred soul--ElkeK 22:13, 9 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by ElkeK (talk • contribs)
Petition to remove the word 'the' from the front of all their names. In my understanding of ancient greek you'd never need an article before them (since they're names there as well ...) and the word gets in the way of sense in some cases. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.69.77.254 (talk) 21:37, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Please see the talk page item at Talk:Thalia#Percy_Jackson_.26_and_the_Olympians_--_.7B.7Bcleanup-section.7D.7D_tag_added for an article/topic idea either for a section on this page or a full page (list) on its own. Apparently I need to create an account to start a new page and right now I would rather not do that as I am not sure what my username is going to be yet. 66.102.199.176 (talk) 17:38, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
The Muses (oil painting by Maurice Denis)
The Nine Muses sculpted by Troy Pillow
66.102.199.176 (talk) 18:04, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Girl Genius includes a set of clockwork muses based on the legend.
WeepingAngel63 (talk) 04:50, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
I was looking up info about the Pierides and found this page. Most sources I've seen say that they were turned into magpies; Wikipedia's the only one I've found that also says jackdaws. I don't know anything about this subject, but someone who does might want to double-check it. It would also be nice to have a citation for the Pierides myth -- I know Ovid talked about them, but is that the source of the story mentioned here? Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ranetz (talk • contribs) 19:27, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
How come the direct link to Muse (band) at the top of the page was removed? CR4ZE (talk) 11:20, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
This is the Facebook page with the most extensive gallery of photos online:
Wikipedia's external links guidelines do not prohibit all links to Facebook, only those not contributing to a users' experience.
The article title is 'Muse', singular. Most of the content is about 'Muses', plural. Please, please, /please/ can we have some literate editors and some sort of linguistic quality control in this would-be encyclopaedia?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.114.111 (talk) 20:55, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
For my own information, does anyone know of an ancient variation (nothing recent please) of a myth in which one of the nine was somehow different or separate from the other eight?--DStanB (talk) 19:12, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
"Seven classic examples are:" Anyone else missing the monumental invocation of the Muses (115 vv.!) that constitutes the proem of Hesiod's Theogony? --Heunir (talk) 00:25, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
People keep adding classic examples but not changing the numeric value of that sentence. I changed it to "For example:" To allow for indefinite playfuntime adding of examples. Thanks for the Hesiod note, didn't remember that one. CircularReason (talk) 22:17, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
I deleted a large section on the "tenth muse." This was listed as a "somewhat conventional compliment paid to female poets." There was mention that Plato called Sappho the tenth muse (apparently in the Palatine Anthology), but looking at the text, she's at best listed as "equal" to the Muses, and not a "tenth Muse." Attribution to Plato is also uncertain. The remaining "tenth muse" citations are a combination of famous female poets and other abstract concepts that are not covered by the nine muses (e.g., "energy" or "film"). All in all, this is pretty incoherent. Perhaps a good comparison is this article that calls the actress Shilpa Shetty a "goddess." Wikipedia would obviously not include her as a potential "goddess" among the Hindu deities. The deleted section is below. --GoldCoastPrior (talk) 19:47, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
The archaic poet Sappho of Lesbos was given the compliment of being called "the tenth Muse" by Plato. The phrase has become a somewhat conventional compliment paid to female poets since. In Callimachus' "Aetia", the poet refers to Queen Berenike, wife of Ptolemy II, as a "Tenth Muse", dedicating both the "Coma Berenikes" and the "Victoria Berenikes" in Books III–IV. French critics have acclaimed a series of dixième Muses who were noted in Benet's Reader's Encyclopedia (1948): Marie Lejars de Gournay (1566–1645), Antoinette Deshoulières (1633–1694), Madeleine de Scudéry (1607–1701), and Delphine Gay (1804–1855).
Anne Bradstreet, a Puritan poet of New England, was honored with this title after the publication of her poems in London in 1650, in a volume titled by the publisher as The Tenth Muse Lately Sprung Up in America. This was also the first volume of American poetry ever published.
Sor Juana Inés de la Cruz, a Mexican poet, is well known in the Spanish literary world as the tenth Muse.[citation needed]
Gabriele D'Annunzio's 1920 Constitution for the Free State of Fiume was based on the nine Muses and invoked Energeia (energy) as "the tenth Muse".
In 1924, Karol Irzykowski published a monograph on cinematography entitled "The Tenth Muse" ("Dziesiąta muza"). Analyzing silent film, he pronounced his definition of cinema: "It is the visibility of man's interaction with reality".
In The Tenth Muse: A historical study of the opera libretto Patrick J. Smith[1] implicitly suggests that the libretto be considered as the tenth muse. The claim, if made explicit, is that the relation of word and music as constituted by the libretto is not only of significant import, but that the critical appreciation of that relation constitutes a crucial element in the understanding of opera.
— Previous version of the article
References
The usage of TheMuse and The Muse is under discussion, see Talk:The Daily Muse -- 65.94.168.229 (talk) 05:29, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
1. "The earliest known records of the Nine Muses are from Boeotia, the homeland of Hesiod." What would be the records?
"Some ancient authorities thought that the Nine Muses were of Thracian origin." What is the ancient source?
"In Delphi they were whorshipped as Nḗtē, Mésē, and Hýpatē." What's the source?
"Alternatively, later they were called Kēphisṓ, Apollōnís, and Borysthenís, which names characterize them as daughters of Apollo." What's the source?
"In a later tradition, a set of four Muses were recognized: Thelxinóē, Aoidḗ Archē, and Melétē, said to be daughters of Zeus and Plusia or of Uranus." What is the tradition?
2. The article mentions Pierus. The link behind that name points to a page with two possibilites. Which one of the two applies?
3. "Some Greek writers give the names of the nine Muses as Kallichore, Helike, Eunike, Thelxinoë, Terpsichore, Euterpe, Eukelade, Dia, and Enope." Who are these Greek writers?
4. "Others included Science, Geography, Mathematics, Philosophy, and especially Art, Drama, and inspiration." Why should all the words be capitalized? Why should the last word in the set not be capitalized?
ICE77 (talk) 08:03, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
There is a requested move to place the word Muse at the disamb page instead of this one. This RM was opened on December 16, 2020. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:18, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Muse (disambiguation) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 13:32, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Should Muse (band), given 1) its pageviews (consistenly more than Muses) and 2) the likelihood that someone looking for the band ends up here through the Muse redirect (very likely), not be given a specific mention in the hatnote? i.e. "Muse" redirects here. For the band, see Muse (band). For other uses, see Muse (disambiguation). This seems to be common practice in this type of situation, and it would certainly save a lot of readers a click. It would not make the hatnote overly long and I see no other possible disadvantage to it. Lennart97 (talk) 22:40, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
I've made the change that I proposed above. If you oppose it, feel free to revert and discuss. Lennart97 (talk) 14:02, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
Is there a preferred order of the names? I noticed that it is not consistent in different languages and sources. If the order has no logic or meaning, would it be an idea to sort the names alphabetically everywhere? Wiki-uk (talk) 07:10, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Muse (disambiguation) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 18:48, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
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