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This article needs revision. While Otis Ferry does not merit much if any sympathy, Wikipedia requires objectivity. The article is littered with points of view. Whether they can be supported by websites (recognised or otherwise) is not the point. Articles should be neutral and express as little opinion as possible.
What does the reference to the blatherskite website achieve? This is not a recognised news source and the assertion that he is a "pain in the butt" clearly raises opinion ratehr than factual issues.Informed Owl (talk) 12:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)Informed Owl
While I agree with you about the blatherskite quote, I find no lack of objectivity or "littered with points of view" and I find that assertion very unfair. I have spent a lot of time tidying this article up and sourcing it correctly. I have therefore undone your edit as it is entirely accurate and properly sourced and is totally objective: Daily Telegragh????? Please respect this. Captainclegg (talk) 00:37, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for that well informed discussion. However, I can't find ANY further aspects about the subject (apart from tittle-tattle that has no place on Wikipedia)! Re Birley: if you have a read of the article about him, you will see that he would probably give Lord Tebbit a run for his money in a Right-Wing definition! Anyone who says "He has done an immense amount for Chile" about Pinochet has well and truly nailed his name to the VVV right-wing mast! Captainclegg (talk) 14:39, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
But I should add, that as far as fair and balanced goes, I am not wedded to the definition. Captainclegg (talk) 14:41, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Where did he go to school? In more than one of the sources quoted throughout the article, it is stated that he went to Eton, rather than Malborough College. Informed Owl (talk) 17:34, 29 October 2008 (UTC)Informed Owl
I have no idea where he went to school. I did not include that information. Captainclegg (talk) 00:43, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I would agree with that. Captainclegg (talk) 14:33, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Previous versions of the article name Ferry's girlfriend. She does not appear to be notable and does not appear to be related to anyone notable (eg. she is not listed as a child of the former TV/movie star who shares her unusual surname). As naming her therefore contravenes WP:NPF (in particular, as a friend of a pro-hunt activist, she may be subject to victimisation), I've removed her name. However can anyone provide a well-sourced reason to name her? For instance, has she attracted any media attention for her activities? If she's already notable as public figure (as, for example, are Ferry's mother and father), then there is no reason not to name her, as anyone intending to victimise Ferry's friends and family will already have sufficient information elsewhere. Conversely, if there are sourced examples of her being victimised then I am happy to raise this at WP:BLPN and get previous revisions, which do name her, permanently and irretrivably deleted (and, if necessary, get this page protected to prevent re-naming). Her victimisation appears to be a serious possibility given that Ferry's hunting lodge was burgled by what, from the items taken, would suggest to be animal rights activists. Andrew Oakley (talk) 17:10, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I entirely agree about removing the girlfriends name. I was surprised that it was added originally, but let it go. Captainclegg (talk) 19:52, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
You have obviously decided to take over the editing of this article, so I will resign from it. This is something I cannot deal with Wikipedia about. You spend ages researching and building an article and then someone comes in and bullies their way into re-editing everything, with no manners enough to ask if they can, or explaining what God-given right they have to overrule you and who or how they have appointed themselves literary arbitrators. It is the height of rudeness, bullying and misuse of power. Enjoy the article and try not to lean one way or the other. Captainclegg (talk) 20:05, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I am sorry to see Captainclegg go. I hope he / she does not. I think that the article is in far better shape now than it has been in the past (although I still wonder whether reference needs to be made to his arrests where no charge followed). It is of course open to any contributor to Wikipedia to make changes to the article provided the relevant guidelines are followed. Informed Owl (talk) 10:03, 14 November 2008 (UTC) Informed Owl
Ferry's girlfriend has been arrested for perverting the course of justice too, and it's all over the local papers. I think her status as WP:NPF has just disappeared. Andrew Oakley (talk) 08:46, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Is there a particular reason why Ferry is featured so heavily in the gossip columns of the Daily Mail and Sunday Mail? For example, does he have a direct or indirect relationship with any of the Mail's owners or journalists? From the list of arrests and convictions, Ferry is clearly quite a twit no matter which side of the hunting fence you sit, so I'm just wondering whether the Mail have any particular motives to tell his side of the story, or whether it's just a normal part of the Mail's general sucking-up to Z-list celebs and the upper classes that they've been doing for decades. I'm getting fed up with looking for references and constantly coming up with that dreary rag. Plus, if there's a fairly substantial direct link between Ferry and the Mail, we'll need to consider whether Mail can be considered a reliable source or whether Mail references violate NPOV. Andrew Oakley (talk) 11:50, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Clegg stated in the article history that Ferry has 3 convictions. I can find sources for one pro-hunt protest (convicted under Public Order Act following House of Commons protest) and one drink-drive conviction (Cirencester) but I'm having trouble tracking down the other conviction. As this is potentially libellous (although borderline - he hasn't much of a good reputation to defend), we need to either source this other conviction, or remove it from the article, urgently. Can anyone provide any hints as to his other conviction? I'm happy to do the research if others can just provide a summary and a year. Please note that arrests, charges and trials are NOT convictions; a conviction is only where the court has found someone guilty of a crime (also note strict definition of crime, which is not a civil offence). Thanks - Andrew Oakley (talk) 15:36, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Fixed the intro. Two edits by Informed Owl May 5 and May 15 lead to the error. First the House of Commons incident was removed, leading to a dangling other convictions in the text. Then the word other was removed, leaving the text saying erroneously that there had been no convictions relating to hunting. Hu (talk) 18:59, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
I see that this category has been added. It's a bit niche isn't it? Informed Owl (talk) 07:40, 21 November 2008 (UTC)Informed Owl
And now "People convicted of drink driving offences". What next? "Sons of rock stars" "People whose mothers have married a second time to people who have Eurosceptic views".
Following a number of recent edits, this article was in the best shape it had been in for a long time. Hopefully it will stay that way.Informed Owl (talk) 15:31, 23 November 2008 (UTC)Informed Owl
Ferry was formally acquitted yesterday of 'witness intimidation'.
I wonder whether the blow by blow account of the events leading to his acquittal remains necessary? A simple, 'he was charged, spent time on remand and was then formally acquitted, being left to face an assault charge' might suffice (with appropriate references)
Certainly the opening paragraphs need attention with much deletion to record the present situation.
(Interesting that the speed with which details of his charges / refusal of bail / convictions is recorded on here is not matched by the speed of the update to record his acquittal ...) Informed Owl (talk) 11:31, 1 May 2009 (UTC) Informed Owl
Re-reading it, I still feel it needs some pruning. The article is far too detailed in places. I propose deleting references to arrests without charge.Informed Owl (talk) 11:28, 4 May 2009 (UTC)Informed Owl
I have made a number of changes. I have removed repetition and checked the content of each link against what it said in the article. There were a number of inaccuracies. On balance, I kept reference to arrests resulting in no charge / acquittal. Informed Owl (talk) 12:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)Informed Owl.
I wonder if now is a time for a major re-write of this section. It descends into a great deal of detail about charges of which he was acquitted. (Indeed I would suggest that much of the article is far too detailed for a work such as Wikipedia). Is it perhaps sufficient, in relation to the later charges, simply to say that he was charged and acquitted, rather than giving what almost reads like a daily diary of Ferry's life. Informed Owl (talk) 08:41, 8 January 2010 (UTC)Informed Owl
It strikes me that the 2007 entries require trimming given that they resulted in acquittals. They will be approaching 4 years old in 2011. Informed Owl (talk) 08:29, 29 December 2010 (UTC)Informed Owl
Following the concerns expressed about this article at User talk:Jimbo Wales, tagging for cleanup/rewrite seemed like the best option. I'm unconvinced that Otis Ferry meets WP:GNG, but if the article has to stay, it should be pointed out that he is notable for only two things:
Listing all his court appearances is blatant WP:COATRACK behaviour, and including incidents for which he was not charged or subsequently acquitted suggests editing by someone with an agenda. Pretty much all of this should go.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:35, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
Trimmed the "arrests" which were not followed with any charges at all. Collect (talk) 14:11, 12 April 2012 (UTC)