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Just read a comment that Geoff Hurst and Clive Mendonca were the only players to score hat tricks at the old Wembley, but did Scholes not score a hat trick against Poland in 1999.
Paul 'A Very Class Player' Scholes This is awful, I'm changing this. There is seriously too much crap editing of all footballer pages Johntinsley 21:49, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Now aged 30, he still has a good few years left at the top and will surely add more medals to his already impressive collection.
I don't like that sentence, even though I'm a big fan of the man myself. It smacks of subjectivity and invites criticism from neutrals IMHO. Would it be okay if I changed it? kelvinhole
It annoys me that the only thing mentioned in his playing style is discipline. Surely his passing and vision of the game are worth mentioning? People don't realise he is the most accurate passer in the Premier League (confirmed by Opta) 77.96.158.181 (talk) 17:29, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, ive just edited that section.
other people can find citations if need be, or adjust things to make my playing style comments more accurate, but if it is deleted ill be really peeved off —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dbc06 (talk • contribs) 23:16, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Okay ive added a 'style of play' section and have contributed citations to back them up. if somebody removes that section i will be really annoyed. it is not subjective at all, and needs to be addressed. his page in comparison to other top footballers stinks of 'average'. Why should Cesc Fabregas have a 'style of play' section and not the great Scholes? DO NOT REMOVE IT otherwise i will seriously get annoyed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dbc06 (talk • contribs) 21:41, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Should there be a section for quotes about Paul Scholes? Like "The best player is Paul Scholes, without a doubt. You get tough games in the Premiership but playing against Scholesy in training is the hardest thing you’ll face in football. His touch, imagination and vision for passes is amazing, and he scores goals for fun from just about anywhere on the pitch.", source Darren Fletcher's interview in www.manutd.com, URL: http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid=%7B79A08487%2DFD7F%2D455F%2D8553%2DD25CE87F047A%7D&newsid=368447
Also Steven Gerrard's biography has some nice words about Scholes, surprisingly.
IMO yes, he is one of (if not the) most rated English player around the world. There are quotes from Beckham, ZZ and Lippi on how good Paul Scholes is, I'll pull some together. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.70.96.92 (talk) 18:29, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Agree with this entirely, simply because there are so many quotes by top class players and managers. Take a look at this for examples... quotes about Paul Scholes —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ncgg (talk • contribs) 15:12, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Should these pages really be updated everytime he scores a goal? That isn't really the point is it.
What about a stats table like the ones Frank Lampard and Steven Gerrard currently have? Teso Dos Bichos 18:33, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
According to this article and Oldham that's where he was born but according to Manchester United offical site (and others) he was born in Hope Hospital, Pendleton, Salford postcode area M6 (Pendleton). CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 23:32, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
He was born in Hope Hospital (now known as Salford Royal Hospital), Pendleton (M6), City of Salford (current city since 1st April 1974) This is the correct term fore the place in 'Salford' he was born, 'Salford, Greater Manchester' (wrong) refers to original (not Pendleton, Broughton etc) Salford (M3) near the Irwell (right bank) opposite Manchester city centre.
1.7 metres tall?
I removed one statement which may have constituted for NPOV, but I can't find any more evidence of such writing. Could whoever added the tag backup their reasons or point out further points? Whilding87 11:34, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
On the "Personal Information" section it states that he has 377 appearances, this is completely wrong as he has over 500 appearances, as stated in the "later career" subtitle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.40.10.254 (talk) 20:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
There was a statement under "Trivia" saying that Paul Scholes was a member of Trust Oldham, and it had a link to their website. I couldn't find Paul Scholes' name on that website at all, and I therefore removed that line. Please be sure to cite a page that clearly states his connection with that group, because otherwise, it comes across as mere speculation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.36.35 (talk) 03:56, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Has he won one or two Champions League titles? I would say he's only won one, as he was not involved in the final in 1999. Same goes for Gary Neville, who was involved in 1999, but not 2008. – PeeJay 09:53, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
http://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/19071.pdf
Medals 4.03 Thirty gold medals are presented to the winning club, and 30 silver medals to the runner-up. Additional medals may not be produced.
Although players who are not in the 25-man squad do not receive their medals at the ceremony, they certainly receive them at a later date, so I would say Scholes and Neville have both won two titles. 68.42.110.139 (talk) 22:05, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
If a player has received a winners medal they could reasonably be said to be a winner of that competition and therefore have in amoungst their honours. I have a feeling that Keane, SCohle and Berg all got winners medals in 1999 and therefore should be included here in personal honours. (Statto999 (talk) 14:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC))
"Manchester United can field five players with CL final experience. However, six players have won the competition. Ryan Giggs and Gary Neville were part of the team that beat Bayern Munich in 1999. Paul Scholes was suspended for the final and Wes Brown was on the bench, but both received winners medals. Edwin van der Sar reached the final with Ajax in 1995 and 1996, winning the first one. Owen Hargreaves won the 2001 competition with Bayern Munich and Patrice Evra lost the 2004 final with AS Monaco."
BBC Sport Monday May 19th —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.105.133.79 (talk) 16:22, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Look. The guy played in all the rounds except for the final and picked up a winners medal. In the past non-finalists didn't medal but in the modern day they do and did in 1999. If Scholes has a winners medal he can't realistically be considered as not winning in 1999. The Champions League is over 13 games not one. see http://www.footballdatabase.com/index.php?page=player&Id=152&b=true&pn=Paul_Scholes I've updated the main article to include 1999. (User123418 (talk) 19:37, 29 May 2008 (UTC))
The 1999 Champions League should be listed here as Scholes accepted a medal. Peejay I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up again and again. Your argument was first that he was suspended from the final and then that he refused a medal. The receipt of a medal has been referenced from Keane's autobiography, The Times and the BBC as well as being on your Champions of Europe Dvd (which you no doubt watch repeatedly) that Scholes did pick up a medal in 1999. If he turned down a medal are you suggesting that Avram Grant wasn't a CL runner up as he threw his medal into the crowd? or that Mourhino only won the Premier League once as he also threw his second winner's medal into the crowd? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Statto999 (talk • contribs) 00:40, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Latics. You're a lot more courtesous than some others. Ok so I have read yoursources "Paul Scholes: When I go I will miss football, not the life of a footballer". "Although he was awarded a winners' medal following United's triumph against Bayern Munich at the Nou Camp in 1999, suspension robbed him of the opportunity to play against the Germans, so the box marked "Champions League winner" remained unticked in Scholes' mind." So your reference states that he has a medal and that only in his mind is he not a winner in 1999. There was an awful lot of misinformation written post May 2008 about Scholes medal collection. Poor journalism IMHO. (EDIT in reference to your other 2 sources)
Anyway my points are this 1) Not playing in a final doesn't mean that you aren't a winner of that competition (I note that you are not trying to correct either Keane's or Berg's medal collection for the same reason) 2) We have now both sited sources that state he did collect a medal in 1999 or at least was eligible for one. I fail to see how winner's medal eligibility/ collection can translate as not winning the competition. Regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by Statto999 (talk • contribs) 01:12, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Last season Scholes only had 2 goals, on paper that's a season low. Michael 20:44, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
"Rio Ferdinand and Alex Ferguson consider Scholes to be Manchester United's best player, and former Netherlands star Edgar Davids called him the best midfielder in the world."
Is this really needed? The first two are Scholes' teammate and coach, so the first part of the quote isn't exactly nonpartisan. Second, I can understand if a Pelé, Cruyff or other footballing legend considered Scholes to be the best midfielder in the world, but Edgar Davids? C'mon. It's just one of a shameless amount of unencyclopedic quotes of Scholes' admirers singing his praises that have inundated the article. sixtynine • spill it • 07:19, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
I've taken these parts of the article out until they can be adequately sourced. The way some parts are written largely suggests that they weren't based on any specific reliable source in the first place. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 21:43, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Inspired goalscoring form during late 2006 and early 2007 saw players from rival Premiership teams tip Scholes to be named Footballer of the Year. Thierry Henry and Cesc Fàbregas of Arsenal, and Luis García of Liverpool, all said he was the player that they most admired.[citation needed] Many commentators[who?] have said that Scholes was their personal player of the year, over the high scoring Cristiano Ronaldo and Didier Drogba,[citation needed] although he eventually finished third behind these two, with Ronaldo claiming the top prize. He also made it into the PFA Team of the year alongside 7 of his fellow team-mates. In one edition of Match Of The Day Lee Dixon claimed that Scholes was the best footballer in the Premiership.[citation needed]
In his autobiography, Sir Bobby Charlton wrote that he believed that Scholes was the one player still playing who truly epitomised the spirit of Manchester United and what is great about football.[citation needed]
Scholes is also the only midfielder to score two hat-tricks, one against Newcastle United F.C. and one against West Ham United, in the history of the Premier League.[citation needed]
On 23 April 2008, Scholes made his hundredth Champions League appearance in a semi-final 0–0 draw at FC Barcelona, and scored the only goal in a 1–0 victory in the second leg that sent United into the final, during which he suffered an injury and a yellow card after a clash with Claude Makélélé.
above sentance cannot be correct. Makelele certainly did not ever play for barcelona —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.73.108.210 (talk) 15:41, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't get this. Pretty much every statement in the Playing style section is tagged with as weasel words. Isn't that just not unnecessary? It's a known fact that his fans regard him as a gifted player and etc, should we just place in the reference all the millions of Paul Scholes fans? You can't get a reference for everything, even Jimmy Wales said this (no I can't be bothered to make a reference, don't leave a citiation needed template next to what I just said... please... just take my word for it). I fail to see why everything needs a reference, especially when you can't get a tangible one. Tigernose (talk) 15:13, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
In the club career section it says: "On 15 September 2009, Scholes scored his first Champions League goal since netting the winner against Barcelona in the semi-final a year and a half ago."
Perhaps it might be better as "a year and a half before"?
I don't know how to edit, but perhaps someone can assist?
Thanks, Baz. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.240.96.18 (talk) 10:25, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for the advice, I will sign up. Baz — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.240.96.18 (talk) 12:46, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
To whoever updated this page in the past few minutes - you have no life!! Jesus, go do something worthwhile, instead you hang around like vultures waiting, forever waiting and then.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.51.167 (talk) 08:23, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
There is an ugly sentence made in the Wikipedia Personal paragraph in the Paul Scholes infofile. Please remove it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.1.45.254 (talk) 14:44, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Just to follow up, there is an unfounded slur of a vulgar and sexual nature in the second paragraph, clearly vandalism. Please remove. 194.32.31.1 (talk) 15:28, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
He was born in Hope Hospital, Salford. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DonaldFranks (talk • contribs) 14:55, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
In the first paragraph it mentions 'despite being an Oldham fan' and his first team he played for. Seems to go against the interview here? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/5382924/Manchester-Uniteds-Paul-Scholes-cant-wait-to-hang-up-his-boots-and-play-cricket.html
Granted, many publications will mention he is an Oldham fan (even the Telegraph again: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/8548962/Paul-Scholes-Manchester-Uniteds-midfield-maestro-with-a-passion-for-Oldham-Athletic.html ) but I think that's just lazy journalism. Can't edit because the article is locked, but so many articles dedicated to him at the moment seem to mention his Oldham support, seems that Wikipedia shouldn't buy into the same common misconception. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.64.95.156 (talk) 02:13, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Based on the above, should the "Oldham fan" line be removed? 86.180.186.203 (talk) 16:37, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
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As per the Talk page, the line "The first team he played for was Langley Furrows despite being an Oldham Athletic supporter." should have the reference to Oldham removed, as there is verifiable information pointing to the fact he was/is a Manchester United fan.
86.180.186.203 (talk) 17:43, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
The intro currently reads:
Paul Scholes (play /ˈpɔːl ˈskoʊlz/; born 16 November 1974) is an English football scout who works for Manchester United. He was a one-club man during his playing days, having spent his entire professional career with Manchester United.
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Forgive me but Scholes is not notable for being an English football scout. He is notable for being a former midfield player for both Manchester United and the national England team.
He might make his living nowadays as a professional scout but that should not be the first line of the intro, as it's not notable unless, of course, he goes onto to surpass his playing days by discovering the next Beckham, Mese, Pele perhaps?
Using the precedent set here...Norman Whiteside is a Podiatrist who once played for man United, Dixie Dean was a publican who once played for Everton etc. The list is endless but the present intro is just stupid. Scholes is a former football player what he does now is patently after the fact! The intro should reflect that, surely? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.150.42.27 (talk) 16:28, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
The way it looks right now:
1994-2011: Manchester United
2012- : Manchester United
This looks untidy, and while Scholes did actually retire, readers could find that information easily in the article summary. The way it looks now would be understandable should there have been a long gap between retirement and return, but that wasn't really the case here.
--85.167.137.198 (talk) 17:57, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
Peter Lovenkrands was released and then rejoined, he was still an active player, Paul Scholes retired and then came back so I think the career section should be 1994-present, the way it is now is doesn't make sense and doesn't look right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.186.203 (talk) 19:16, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
Further, including the gap adds additional information for the benefit of the reader: showing them that there was a gap, that Mr Scholes' career with MUFC was interrupted for some reason. We'd be doing the reader no favours if we rewrote history by implying that there was no gap. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 21:53, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
I agree with the majority of the comments here. But I will put a footnote to indicate that Scholes briefly retired during the 2011-12 season. --Tocino 12:29, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
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In his 2nd appearance since coming out of retirement in the 2011/12 Season, Scholes scored a goal against Bolton Wanderers in the minutes leading to half time. (14/01/2012) Hulkza (talk) 15:52, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
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Paul Scholes, he scores goals. (Famous Old Trafford Chant) But his real skill is in midfield with the ability to pick out players with the accuracy of a snooker player. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.26.221 (talk) 00:18, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
The league apps/goals figures in the infobox don't match the Premier League totals in the career stats table further down - which is correct........? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:46, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
Strange to mention it during the introduction, and utterly idiotic to add it to a sentence about his status in the game. Nobody who understands football would use his fairly unremarkable ten red cards as a way to balance the fact that he's one of the greats. Written by a Liverpool or City fan? Pathetic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.233.113 (talk) 02:54, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
That's due to his longevity, though. Ten red cards across nearly 20 years of service - ie one red card every two years - is a fairly uninteresting stat. So while it may be remarkable in the context of an unremarkable collation of dull information, the original point is that sticking it on the end of the sentence about him being one of the best of his generation feels kinda petty. As the first part of the sentence alludes to, many of the great midfielders cite Scholes as the best of his type. They don't care in the slightest that he had a few red cards. Nobody really does. Which is why the idea that he was often criticised for it is also wrong. Most focused on how great a player he was rather than the red card he got every two years.
On further inspection, my point is backed up perfectly by the omission from Patrick Vieira's intro of his disciplinary record, which of course is worse than Paul Scholes'. The same goes for Roy Keane. But with Scholes it's used as a subtle way to detract from his reputation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.222.34.177 (talk) 02:55, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
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In September and October about 40,000 bytes of content were added to the Reception section, with lonq quotes from about seventy people – pundits, managers and players – all praising Scholes. The content was subsequently tagged as "Over-quotation". In my view, the approx 40,000 bytes added was highly excessive. WP:QUOTEFARM guidelines state that quotes are overused when the quotations dominate the article or section. The Reception section was clearly dominated by quotes after approx 40,000 bytes were added.
WP:QUOTEFARM guidelines also state: "Quotations embody the breezy, emotive style common in fiction and some journalism, which is generally not suited to encyclopedic writing. Long quotations crowd the actual article and distract attention from other information."
In addition, guidelines at WP:NOTNEWSPAPER state: "Wikipedia considers the enduring notability of persons and events. While news coverage can be useful source material for encyclopedic topics, most newsworthy events do not qualify for inclusion and Wikipedia is not written in news style. For example, routine news coverage of announcements, events, sports, or celebrities, while sometimes useful, is not by itself a sufficient basis for inclusion of the subject of that coverage."
I'm sure the vast majority of people who follow football would acknowledge that Paul Scholes was a great player. He was a hugely gifted, talented midfielder. But that doesn't mean an encyclopedia needs quotes from about seventy people to all praise his talent. The Reception section before the approx 40,000 bytes were added still made it fully clear that many others, such as Zinedine Zidane and Edgar Davids spoke of their admiration for Scholes. Quotes were included from Thierry Henry, Bobby Charlton, Marcello Lippi, Nani, Xavi, Pep Guardiola and Gareth Southgate to describe the qualities of Scholes before numerous other long quotes and approx 40,000 bytes were added.
Despite the "Over-quotation" tag, more and more quotes kept being added recently to the Reception section and therefore I supported the edit by Footballgy on 17 October to restore the article back to how it was. However, the restoration by the editor "Footballgy" was later reverted by the same IP editor who previously added many of the overly long quotes.
I'm tonight reverting the article back again, as per the previous edit summary by "Footballgy". I don't think more long quotes should be added to the section again unless there's a clear consensus on this talk page that so many quotes are justified. Regards, Kind Tennis Fan (talk) 22:48, 17 October 2023 (UTC)