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No details are yet available, but there are several RS reports (Boston Herald, local CBS and Fox tv, et al) so this is added to the article. But editors should keep an eye on this to be sure the reports are further confirmed. Tvoz/talk 17:14, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Oh great Wiki editor in the sky, we'll make sure it's true he committed suicide in spite of MSNBC and other sources confirming it in one big chorus. --Brainchannels (talk) 17:55, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
((editsemiprotected)) The article reads: Markoff is suspected in three robberies — one of which resulted in the murder of Julissa Brisman, which had taken place in Massachusetts and Rhode Island.
It should read: Markoff is suspected in three robberies — one of which resulted in the murder of Julissa Brisman — which had taken place in Massachusetts and Rhode Island.
The inconsistency in punctuation in the original makes it sound as if the murder took place in two states when I believe that the robberies had taken place in two states. Sepideh (talk) 00:50, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
Nothing notable about a lawyer claiming his client is innocent at the time of his arrest, or, in a high-profile case, that he was being convicted by the press. This doesn't belong in the lead, and likely not in the body either, but if it goes anywhere it would presumably be in the "Arrest and legal proceedings" section, and with better citations than were provided. Also, "died awaiting trial" was correct status, as is "apparent suicide" - both of which are per sources. The cause of death has been stated by the sheriff's office as apparent suicide (citation provided), and no source was provided for "suffocation" . And, it's not only in Massachusetts that people are presumed innocent - that is a fundamental principle of American law. But a lecture about it does not belong here, nor would we have listed his status as "legally innocent" before his death. It's not a correct use of that field of the infobox. Fact is, he died awaiting trial and so was neither convicted nor acquitted - we may be best off just omitting that field in the infobox altogether. Following WP:BRD, I'm reinstating the text as it was again and let's discuss, not edit war. Tvoz/talk 03:41, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
The FACT is that Philip Markoff is forever "innocent" because he died prior to any verdict being rendered in his case. That is his legal status under Massachusetts law. "Innocent", not "undetermined". "Innocent" is his legal status and nothing will ever change that. At this point it is inappropriate to have an article presenting theories and hearsay about how he is guilty, when guilty can never be his legal status. The story of Philip Markoff is now that he was charged but died as an innocent man. You might find that unfair or distastful, but those are the facts. RockSound (talk) 04:30, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
This has been discussed in the past - an editor again removed the long-standing well-sourced section of prosecution evidence, saying it is "inappropriate because it will never be adjudicated". I'm thinking about this one - what do other editors think? Tvoz/talk 07:56, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
Markoff's suicide preparations included scraping a prison issue pen and a piece of metal into a primitive scalpel. The metal came from a metal plate Markoff pried off of an electrical outlet. He used the make-shift blade to slash major arteries in his ankles, legs and neck, including the carotid artery in his neck. Clear plastic bags that are available to inmates were used to catch the pooling blood. He swallowed toilet paper to ensure that he could not be revived, used gauze to tighten another plastic bag over his head, and then pulled the covers over him from head to toe. http://abcnews.go.com/US/TheLaw/craigslist-killer-philip-markoff-spread-photos-fiance-died/story?id=11419551&page=2 Joasje (talk) 22:50, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
This url http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/08/da_markoff_fash.html?p1=News_links has a video of the DA discussion the details of the suicide, confirming much of what the previous poster has said. 98.217.19.186 (talk) 01:05, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Why is there a "c." for his date of death? Has not it been confirmed that he died on August 15? This article (DA: Markoff fashioned 'primitive scalpel' to kill himself) states that: "Conley said surveillance camera footage showed that Markoff was alone in his cell and turned out the light at 1:59 a.m. Sunday and no one had entered his cell until he was discovered some eight hours later." Thanks. (64.252.34.115 (talk) 04:09, 18 August 2010 (UTC))
I've moved this statement: "Markoff was of Carpatho Rusyn descent." here from the article, pending a reference.--Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden (talk) 15:41, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Contrary to what was said in edit summary here, I didn't remove important material - I moved some things out of the lead that were more appropriate in the detail sections, like the name of the Suffolk County sheriff, and the issue regarding the conditions in Boston jails. I moved those things to the arrest/trial section and what was then called attempted suicide/death section. I don't see why the fact that there are many deaths in Boston jails belongs in the lead of this article- no problem with it being in the actual article, as it is the reason for one of the investigations surrounding his death, but no reason has been given explaining why this should be in the lead. What I removed - or re-worded actually - was the assertion that the DA was going to "drop all charges" which is not the same as "terminate prosecution", and follows the source article. I also have several times put into the intro the reference to Brisman's murder being called the "Craigslist killing" where I still think it belongs - there are hundreds of news sources referring to this as the craigslist killing and I believe readers coming here could be confused by not seeing that up front. Please note that I carefully did not call markoff the "craigslist killer", despite many sources doing so, but referred to the murder as the craigslist killing, in an abundance of BLP care. But seeing as almost every source article we list calls it such, I would like to know why it should not be in the intro. Edit summaries with explanations also would be very helpful for the large number of edits being made. Finally, where did I accuse RockSound of anything? Tvoz/talk 20:32, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Since the section deals with both the unsuccessful attempts as well as the final suicide, I think the two should be separated. Ricardo Santiago (talk) 19:10, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Since he was never convicted, I think it's wrong to just call the section "Attacks". Ricardo Santiago (talk) 19:11, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
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