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• Prince Karl Anton of Hohenzollern → Prince Karl Anton of Hohenzollern (1868–1919)
• Karl Anton, Prince of Hohenzollern → Karl Anton, Prince of Hohenzollern (1811–1885)

– These two titles are indistinguishable. I suggest adding dates. Srnec (talk) 00:40, 20 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. estar8806 (talk) ★ 18:02, 27 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I assume the intent was to harmonise on one order for the titles at the same time as adding the dates, i.e. both should be of the form Karl Anton, Prince of Hohenzollern (born–died) in line with WP:NCROY. Rosbif73 (talk) 09:41, 20 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No, my intention was just to add dates. One is a reigning prince and one not. I do not like how current guidelines handle this distinction, but I have no suggested improvement. Srnec (talk) 16:28, 20 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Support on principle, but move to Prince Karl Anton of Hohenzollern (born 1868) and Karl Anton, Prince of Hohenzollern (born 1811). We generally avoid using full date ranges. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:34, 23 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comment with a preliminary oppose This is an issue with principalities in general. The leader of the state is a prince but his male relatives are also princes of a different sort. The order of the titles and the hatnotes are sufficient disambiguations in my view, adding a bunch of years to the title mostly serves to make the title longer. Killuminator (talk) 16:44, 27 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]