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People that lived in Upper Silesia to survive occupation had to signature that they are Germans (people who didn't do that were sent to Auschwitz), after war people of Upper Silesia were oppressed on the other hand by the polish communist. SO LEARN MORE ABOUT HISTORY OF UPPER SILESIA AND DON'T WRITE LIES THAT ONLY GERMANS WERE IN THAT CAMP, most of German's escaped to Germany during or soon after war.
Sorry written in polish: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Elfryda_Donga.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Outthereforme (talk • contribs) 16:16, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
What does this person have to do with the current anti-fascist ideology of anti-Germans that is not to be confused with anti-German sentiment? Andries 20:37, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Nothing. But he would probably qualify for one of their idols. --87.160.254.8 22:39, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
I believe that the article should be edited, because several informations are repeated. What happened to Morel's family during the war? Xx236 15:11, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Should he be in the Category:War criminals or not? He is accused of being a war criminal by Poland; Isreal apparently doesn't agree, and he himself obviously doesn't want to face trial (and probably never will).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:58, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
War criminal after the war? Strange. Xx236 15:54, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
The war ended in 1992. He is accused of crimes against Germans. Any crimes until 1992 would be war crimes. Actorgeorge99 (talk) 15:48, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Some sources like this mention he was imprisoned in Auschwitz. Others deny this or don't mention this at all. How should we address it? From the available sources I think the most 'serious' is the IPN bio, and it doesn't say a word about Auschwitz.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 23:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't think a newspaper is a serious source in relation to this man. Especially one in Montreal, Canada. The article doesn't even say he was even ever in Canada. The article flatly states that he committed war crimes in the camp. It also discusses how members of his family may have suffered during the war. The article is editorializing. Is that a defense that other war criminals can use too - how family members suffered at hands of the enemy, or is that defense reserved for certain people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pgg804 (talk • contribs) 02:27, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
This book is POV, this shouldn't be in a reference.
According to a number of sources, including the Montreal Gazette and the British Telegraph, Morel himself was at one point an inmate in Auschwitz, and over 30 of his relatives were killed in the Holocaust, though this is not listed in the IPN report. (Montreal Gazette, January 2, 2005, p A8)
Can 'Montreal Gazette' be a source of information, shouldn't be given their sources? What are the mysterious 'number of sources'?
--Nowis 05:51, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
I know from a lot of former german Soldiers and German Civilians that generally Camps with German Soldier and Civilian Inmates where often given in Command to jews by the Udssr autorities so that the reason for the horrible conditions in this camps are mainly and outcome of a cynical communist politic twords the Germans.( Eyvitnes of a camp close to Königsberg - Kaliningrad) But in the US and English army too there was but a blinde eye on such atrothities when jewish people where involved. I know a case because my father was the victim luckaly he survived. That was in 1945 around the Rhine bordering the netherlands ( Goch) where an austrian jewish US-Soldier killed serv eral soldiers during investigations. I dond think that this stories will ever come to the public opinion. In my view the crime was done by thos officers witch but this man in the power to do such things. Johann
Ok, I see again that again were deleted facts about people who were in Zgoda Camp. Most of prisoners were not Nazi collaborators, in the fact nobody then was really interested in truth. In Silesia (whole region) everyone had to signed Volkslista, or go to Auschwitz. Even Polish government-in-exile ordered to signed Volkslista to prevent of killing people. After war Germans who were war criminals escaped abroad. Prisoners in Zgoda Camp came from raids on local population. I have written it once with sources a long time ago (my english was better also), and it was deleted. Why? Why
deleted facts by 99.49.82.242
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Salomon_Morel&diff=prev&oldid=274019850
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Salomon_Morel&diff=prev&oldid=273943554
____________ Most lies in this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Salomon_Morel&diff=prev&oldid=273813949
6000 of political prisoners? In whole Poland there wasn't soo much politicans. Once again most prisoners were local population oF Silesia, there were no trials. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.239.192.193 (talk) 22:10, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
This is clearly POV, and is not the correct translation of the Urząd Bezpieczeństwa, which is actually the "Ministry of Public Security of Poland. I'm deleting the reference to "Communist Security" because no such thing exists, and it meant to be a simple political buzzword. P1nkfl0yd (talk) 11:28, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
from the opening sentence describing Morel as a "fugitive Jew", the article goes on to create a biased article, in effect giving far greater weight to the Polish government version then the Israeli government version. consistently, the article ends off with a link to David Irving's website. (version i am referring to: [1]) I plan on revamping the article and welcome all colloberation. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 14:31, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Why those weird suspicious labels? How could it be, that a fanatical jewish mass murderer article is of low importance? It is of the highest possible importance, for goodness sakes. Putting this art in such categories if a pure, but filthy moral and ethical crime against the families of, and the victims themselves. Who on earth would label this with such cat's? Im deeply shocked. A SCANDAL is a definitely too lightweight word to describe such behaviour.
Why is he called "Polish communist official", while his ethnicity was first and foremost Jewish - just one of many unassimilated Jews who happened to rise to power during stalinism in Poland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.7.89.224 (talk) 22:35, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
No, he was not a "Polish national". He was a Jewish national and wasn't raised with the same values as ethnic Poles. The people who were in charge of Poland at that time couldn't honestly be called a "Polish government" either. They couldn't held to power without Soviet military support and a large part of them weren't even Polish (just like Morel). What happened to Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.7.15.86 (talk) 23:39, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
"Citizenship: Polish, later Israeli" speaks for itself. A Polish Jew would get an Israeli citizenship, a Polish non-Jew would not. As simple as that. If you asked Israeli authorities who refused to extradite Mr. Morel, about his nationality, I guess they would agree, too - he was clearly Jewish. Vēršana (talk) 12:06, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Being jewish means You believe in judaism. Its not an ethnicity and jews arent a people. Its a religion. You can be any ethnicity and be jewish.. Although black jews are often disciminated in israel and in many cases the right of return does not apply to them, simply because theyre black.
Judaism is of course an ethnicity, actually one of the most ancient ones, about 3,500 years. Black (Ethiopian) Jews are getting Israeli citizenship by the Law of Return, and are not discriminated by law in Israel. As many other statements in this article discussion, those statements show nothing more than anti-Semitic views. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.125.27.53 (talk) 00:43, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
They can change his nationality, they can remove his picture so people don't see his thug face but thankfully they can't change his name so hopefully people will understand even if others try to hide it.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.69.234.65 (talk)
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was invoked but never defined (see the help page)."was in the forests" - Yes, in the forests, as BANDIT attacking the local civil population.
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It is said: In 1994, soon after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, Morel was investigated by Poland's Institute of National Remembrance for war crimes
Problem is, the Institute of National Remembrance only started working in 2000. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.125.27.53 (talk) 00:35, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
Morel was the commander of the Jaworzno camp, see Jaworzno concentration camp. Not mentioned here.Xx236 (talk) 13:22, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
Morel was mentioned in the book.Xx236 (talk) 13:27, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
Xx236 (talk) 09:39, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
Per MOS:ETHNICITY:“Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability." As Morel defended himself based on his Jewish background, and reliable sources such as Anne Applebaum, New York Times name him as Polish-Jewish, and Israel also defended him on the basis of his ethnicity, than I believe this is relevant and notable enough that his ethnicity be included in the lead. Certainly naming him as solely Polish is not correct and might confuse as to both to citizenship and ethnicity, making people think he was solely Polish.For just comparision of manual of style(not character of course) see Anna Frank or Janusz Korczak were both citizenship and ethnicity are mnetioned. --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 15:46, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
"Having Jewish ancestors does not define one's service in the NKVD and MBP" and nobody is claiming that.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 18:34, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Per Anne Applebaum "Iron Curtain: The Crushing of Eastern Europe 1944-56 "the unusual case of Salomon Morel, who – all agree – was a Polish Jew and a communist partisan" New York Magazine - 9 Mau 1994 "on Solomon Morel, a Jewish camp commandant at Schwientochlowitz in Poland" --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 19:36, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
"The opening paragraph should usually provide context for the activities that made the person notable. In most modern-day cases this will be the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident, or if the person is notable mainly for past events, the country where the person was a citizen, national or permanent resident when the person became notable.- which quite clearly has us placing nationality in the opening paragraph. As his Jewish background is relevant as well, we can place that in the lede as well (e.g. next to immigrating to Israel), however we should following the MOS guideline.Icewhiz (talk) 15:28, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
"the country where the person was a citizen, national or permanent resident"should be there in in most modern-day cases. Morel was clearly a Polish national, serving the Polish government - why the objection to stating he was Polish in the first paragraph?Icewhiz (talk) 15:48, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
It is amusing to see how on some articles people fight to include their nationality in the lede ('this great person was also a part of our nation', see Georges Charpak for example...) and on others, they try to push someone into the hands of others ('no, thanks, you can have him'). I don't have a problem with him being described as Polish, through I find Polish-Jewish in general a good descriptor. But, I wonder, if we remove -Jewish here, should we also remove it from let's say L. L. Zamenhof? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:24, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
10:01, 27 May 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xx236 (talk • contribs)
The Independent article calls her Boriczek but in The Savage Peace, the on-screen text calls her Boroczek. What is her real surname and what is a typo? --Error (talk) 01:07, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
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The original WIKIPEDIA text says: Morel's mother, father and one brother were killed by the Blue Police during Christmas of 1942.[10][better source needed] Here is another source for this info: JOHN SACK in his book 'An eye for an eye' on page 67 writes about Salomon Morel: He was twenty when the Germans invaded, but his curse during the war was the Polish collaborators. Poles, not Germans, picked up his father, mother, and one brother in Christmas week, 1942, as Shlomo watched from the top of a haystack, hay in his mouth lest the Poles hear him cry. "Where are your other sons?" said the Poles, but Shlomo's mother wouldn't say, and the Poles, not the Germans, punished her by shooting the father, then brother, then her. Zalek Bloom (talk) 20:51, 4 December 2023 (UTC)