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I don't have a copy, but you do get discussion of the eruption and its possible links to the Exodus story in Ian Wilson's 1985 book "The Exodus Enigma".91.111.29.190 (talk) 22:30, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
--- Years back I came across some poems from Egypt contemporary to Thera errupthion. They spoke of dust falling cows and crops dieing, mothers eating dead babies. Anyone have anything on this? Wblakesx 19:58, 12 April 2007 (UTC)Wblakesx
Removed some of the pictures because they were low-res, because they were joined with each other as one image and replaced them with high resolution images. I also added a picture with Linear A that I had taken in the museum of Fira in Santorini as a sample from the Minoic period. This image is also used in the Linear A article. Also, I would like to strongly encourage contributors not to "watermark" their images with their username. The beauty of Wikipedia is "selfless contribution". Portum 01:13, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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I added a picture of thira but i hope the resample of the big one is still viewable, if this one is not good i have bunch of them that you can choose on http://www.chmouel.com/geeklog/gallery/gallery_individual.php/greece/ --Chmouel Boudjnah
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Geologists have no exact absolute dates for the explosion. Their carbon-14 or radiocarbon method offers 5513, 5568, 5589, 5700, 5730, or 5770 years for the half life of the carbon-14 isotope. (Prof. Norman Hammond of Rutgers University claimed in his Ancient Mayan Civilization, 1982:114) that the radiocarbon dates require radical changes.)
I believe this kind of material belongs in an article on radioactive dating, not here. Dwmyers 20:40, 25 Aug 2003 (UTC)
I removed this text:
Thera definitively etymologized as: literally "Fear" (But therapeutic?) I shifted this new note here for discussion. Is not Thera/Thira actually non-Greek? Wetman 20:51, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
The island was not dome shaped for thousands of years before the Minoan eruption. My reference is Fire in the Sea: The Santorini Volcano: Natural History and the Legend of Atlantis, Walter L. Friedrich, translated by Alexander R. McBirney, Cambridge University Press 1999. Friedrich is a professor of geology at a Danish university, and indeed much of the book is about the geology. Strongyle is Greek for "round", and was apparently used in the 19th Century and although the book says that the ancient Greeks called it Calliste (="most beautiful"), it suggests that Strongyle may have been passed down from ancient times (although IHMO he doesn't present good evidence of this).--Jll 16:19, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
What the Minoans called it is speculation as no one has decoded their written language - see the Wikipedia article and the web generally on Linear A. The book also says that the earliest mention of the name Thera is in verse 10 of the fourth Pythian Ode by a Greek called Pindar (522-441 BC) talking about an island that the Argonauts discover, and that the same ode mentions Calliste in verse 258.--Jll 16:19, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
The following text is a little bit chariot-of-the-gods: There have been suggestions that the eruption of Thera coincides with the Exodus of the Hebrew people from Egypt, possibly affecting the tides of the Red Sea to allow for their crossing. There have not been such suggestions from geologists, I'd be willing to bet. Would it be a great pity if this text disappeared? Any supporters of the Thera-parted-the-Red-Sea suggestions? --Wetman 10:02, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Current version of this is still unsourced ("some") and not to the standards of the rest of this artticle: Some have speculated that the Santorini eruption and resulting tsunami resulted in the ten plagues of the Hebrew Exodus, with the Theran tsunami possibly affecting the Red Sea to allow for the Hebrews' crossing. A significant time span is required between the ash-fall and the tsunami to correspond to events in the Exodus account. This would indicate a delay between the eruption and the collapse of the volcano that would be nearly impossible to document, and which has no currently known geological precedent." --Wetman 05:48, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
I tried to be as neutral as I could and add the new archeological evidence surrounding Exodus/Santorini connection. However, given the contention around the evidence, I think it was better to reference the documentary and its "proposals" rather than present them as facts like the documentary did. If anyone has a problem with the changes, please make edits and do not blank it completely. Thank you.--Cryogenesis 15:34, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
A few additional comments: Connecting Thera eruption with Exodus in the detailed way proposed does sound fantastical. If we disconnect the Bible from the discussions we have a few points of interest that could connect the Thera eruption with Egypt.
We may not be able to link Hyksos directly to the people of Thera, though it seems clear that the widespread disruption at that time would cause a huge economic collapse of trading-based nations and cause survivors to migrate to food-surplus-producing regions or die. Whether that was a literal armed invasion or just simply hundreds of starving boat people is difficult to say. Too many people not enough resources causes war. War means Warlords would certainly emerge from such disruption.
Maybe the migrants were from Thera, maybe not. But it seems likely that *all* close members of the trading economy of which Thera was a part would be effected, those peoples also had the means to travel by sea and to go to places where food was even remotely possible. Many displaced people of similar but different races/languages, coupled with destroyed economies makes for confused histories and dark ages.
Egyptians would clearly seek to remove such invaders as soon as possible afterwards, causing further migrations. One of those is likely to be the source of the Exodus story.
The aftermath of the Thera eruption seems likely to have been many years of strange weather events and associated famines. The likelihood of extended eruption events over many years is reasonable, at least. We don't really need literal descriptions of Biblical events, but it doesn't seem impossible. 88.110.191.21 (talk) 10:55, 3 June 2010 (UTC)Simon
Added the panoramic pic at the top, the detailed map and also removed a picture of a 'cat in santorini' and replaced it with a sunset picture of the island. A picture of a cat is not relevant to the topic of santorini. --Andruzzo
Modified the image which erroneously said it was the streets of Fira when it is actually the town of Oia --Andruzzo
Switched around the two panoramic pics. The pic of the ISLAND from the ferry is a better picture of the actual ISLAND, instead of a view outwards, which is what the second panoramic pic is. It's a nice picture that should be later on with other scenic shots.
Note at User talk:RadRafe: You recently removed maps "until the infringement issue is resolved". Since there is no mention of such an issue at the Talk:Santorini page, would you post a sentence or so with a hyperlink to discussion of infringement? Thank you. (Copy to Talk:Santorini) --Wetman 8 July 2005 16:10 (UTC)
The VEI has been claimed by F. McCoy to be as high as 7. McCoy's claims, however, have not been published in the peer-reviewed literature. This has been discussed recently by many people on e-mail, where it has been pointed out that Keenan (reference cited in the article) presented evidence that the VEI has previously been overestimated (because it included the ash from Crete--this is also discussed in the article). Daphne A 05:03, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
On the program Lost Cities on the History Channel, one commentator (I forget his name or field of expertise) said that the Thera eruption was 10 times greater than Krakatoa in 1883. Krakatoa is listed as a VEI 6 (VEI). A statement was also made in this program indicating the belief that Thera was the largest eruption in recorded history, presumably this would mean surpassing Tambora but not prehistoric supereruptions. I believe this new position was based on the amount of ejected material now on the sea bed around Santorini. --Tokalon73 02:48, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
I read many scientific papers about volcanism and Santorini to prepare my own papers. Most if not all consider that Santorini eruption of 1650 BC was a VEI 6 not a VEI 7. It was equivalent to 600 MT of TNT or 1.7 time the explosion of St.Helens in 1980, and was equivalent to 30 times the explosion of Tunguska in 1908 or 27000 to 40000 times the bomb of Hiroshima. The amount of ejecta was estimated between 40-60 km3 and to 61 km3 in 2006 by researchers from Un.Rhodes Island. -- luxorion — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:7E8:C0ED:AD01:AD3F:EC24:831C:F4E7 (talk) 18:24, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
Looking through past edits, it seems clear that whenever someone edits the page to say that the 1645 BC date is "under debate," someone always changes it to "proven incorrect." What is the general consensus? Hammer seems adamant that 1645 BC is correct but Manning on his site accepts the debunking of 1645 BC. I still don't fully understand why Keenan considers aeolian differentiation a non-issue in differences between the Greenland ash and Theran ash; I'd be grateful to have someone explain this to me. Also, does anyone know where in time are the other ash layers in the ice caps that could be Thera candidates? --Pryaltonian 07:04, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Regarding aeolian differentiation, this would not seem to affect trace constituent abundances per se, and there is no obvious mechanism by which it would substantially affect major constituent abundances, especially for glass. ... Indeed, using the same reasoning [as Hammer], the Greenlandic tephra could be argued to match any (non-Arctic) eruption.
the part on the eruption needs its own article, Thera eruption, otherwise it is drowning out the discussion of what is after all an inhabited island with lots of history besides the eruption. dab (ᛏ) 17:43, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
I wanted to add info about the Biblical stories connection under the "eruption" section then noticed the link to the separate eruption article. It seems to me everythign after the brief intro paragraph under eruption is duplicating the second article. WOuldn't it be more concise to cover all eruption details in the eruption article, if there is going to be such a split? --Tokalon73 16:24, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Recent excavations as detailed on a History Channel Lost Cities episode indicate this Santorini (Thera) as a major center of the Minoan civilization. Evidence also strongly points towards Akrotiri as the inspiration of Plato's Atlantis due to similarities of the Minoan city to his description (circular layout of island, ring of water around inner island in caldera, hot and cold running water, advanced architecture, etcetera.
However, there is no mention of this island on the Minoan article and the Atlantis article needs to be updated. I therefore suggest a larger inclusion of the newer Akrotiri information on the Minoan and Atlantis articles by someone qualified and willing to do the research.
-Mackson 2:05, 04 September 2006
I was able to obtain a copy of the History Channel show "Lost Worlds: Atlantis" that delves into Atlantis specifically (the other Santorini documentary was about the Exodus), and shows the similarities between Plato's description of Atlantis and the excavations at Santorini. Again, it is presented by archeoligists and other scientists. Here are some facts and conclusions from the documentary:
--Cryogenesis 19:53, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
I tried to summon the above rough information into a set of coherent paragraphs, but feel free to clean it up if its not as coherent as we would like. I also cited scientific sources in the Sources section. This work is legitimate science, NOT like those crazy Atlantis connections about aliens, superhuman races, and silly theories. The Atlantis myth as told by Solon to Plato, from its Egyptian source, is turning out to be a re-told and re-worked myth that described a real place and event.--Cryogenesis 16:57, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
4.249.63.240 (talk) 21:54, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
The person who keeps putting those links on is coming from various anonymous addresses, so you couldn't block them directly. I wonder, though--is it possible to put a block on a url so links no longer work to it from WP? I dunno.
It's worth checking the contributions list of the anonymous spammer--I've removed linkspam from another article as a result. Nareek 12:42, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
P.S. It might be worth having the article semi-protected so that anonymous editors can't edit. Nareek 12:43, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
User:Hasbro has inserted this in the section entitled "Greek, Byzantine and Ottoman Santorini".
The History Channel has a feature called "Exodus Decoded", which says that Santorini provides insights to the Book of Exodus. It explains how the Ten Plagues of Egypt were actually caused by the Earthquake and consequential eruption of Santorini's Volcano.
It's hard for me to see how it has any bearing whatsoever on that section. It might be vaguely appropriate in the previous section, which actually talks about the eruption, and which actually mentions (in the previous sentence, in case Hasbro didn't notice) the Exodus connection. The Ten Plagues thing isn't mentioned, and might perhaps deserve a mention there if a verifiable reliable source could be cited -- note that "I saw it on a TV show" doesn't fit the bill.
Anyone else have any thoughts? Hasbro insists it remain. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 21:00, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
If you want to move it to the other section, be my guest. Hasbro 21:09, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I tried to be as neutral as I could and add the new archeological evidence surrounding Exodus/Santorini connection. However, given the contention around the "evidence", I think it was better to reference the documentary and its "proposals" rather than present them as facts like the documentary did. If anyone has a problem with the changes, please make edits and do not blank it completely. Thank you.--Cryogenesis 15:35, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
"Clockwise from the center"? Where do you look after the center? 12 o'clock? 1 o'clock? I'm not familiar with the islands enough to know. Also, what are we supposed to be looking at? Cities? Islands? --Eddylyons 21:21, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
this page focuses too much on the single big eruption of 1500 bc and of claims concerning atlantis. i visited this island a couple of years ago and i remember a map of the shape of the island over the years, which showed that the island has been repeatedly reshaped by major eruptions every 200 years or so. Benwing 08:59, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't know the source of the stated population figure, but I don't think it's very meaningful without qualification. Many of the Greek islands, including Santorini, are virtually deserted in winter, but crowded with tourists and temporary workers in the tourism sector during the summer. Which state does this figure represent? Rodparkes 09:03, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
The "Ancient volcanic eruption" section contins this text: "New archaeological discoveries by a team of international scientists in 2006 have revealed that the Santorini event [...] expelled 61 cubic kilometres of magma and rock into Earth's atmosphere compared to previous estimates of only 39 cubic kilometres in 1991." Further down, the "Thera hypotheses" section (Development of the Atlantis connection) reads: "the most powerful eruption in recorded history, ejecting approximately 30 cu km (7 cu mi) of magma, up to 36 km (23 mi) high". I have not been able to confirm the 'new archaeological discories', so if anyone can, please correct accordingly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xxaris (talk • contribs) 12:08, August 29, 2007 (UTC)
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What were the circumstances of the annexation by Greece? Was it a territorial advance during the First Balkan War or some sort of peacetime treaty? -- Beland 06:33, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't know if this would be a random fact or something, but a city in Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire is based on Santorini, which is pretty awesome. It is called Sootopolis City in the game.
Also, a picture's caption is entirely wrong. "Houses built on the edge of the caldera" does not describe the soccer player's picture above it. HaLoGuY007 (talk) 02:16, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Cool HaLoGuY007 (talk) 23:14, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
We already have a Minoan Eruption article which is much better than this. This bit is pretty rubbish. Exodus Decoded may have been good TV but terrible archaeology, and try telling a Minoan expert that "Minoan civilization disappeared suddenly, at the height of its wealth and power". It didn't. Earlier the article says, correctly, "may have led indirectly to the collapse of the Minoan civilization on the island of Crete". All this section either needs removing or rewriting, at the moment the Exodus Decoded stuff is clearly POV, for instance.--Doug Weller (talk) 18:58, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
It might be worth mentioning that on BBC News recently, there was an article about a man who decapitated his girlfriend in Santorini and walked around the streets with her head. The gruesome event shocked the villagers. No joke, you can find the story online at BBC News: Europe.(Myscrnnm (talk) 21:31, 3 August 2008 (UTC))
The evening image is not of the same quality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.161.69.75 (talk) 14:02, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Is it worth mentioning that David Gemmell wrote about the Thera eruption in his book Troy: Fall of Kings? Three major characters are priestesses there, and the eruption kills the bad guys. It causes a wave which sinks Odysseus's ship, referenced in the Odyssey, and causes chaos in Egypt, which is blamed on the rogue prince Moses. It is the pivotal event at the end of the series; should we put it down as 'in popular culture'? Fuzzibloke (talk) 16:29, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
I spoke to a man who works on Santorini today and I found out that Thira/Thera is generally used to indicate the major island in Santorini. Saying that Thira and Thera are substitutes for Santorini is probably not correct since Santorini is a collection of islands. "Municipality of Thira" is not proper because the capital city of the entire archipelago is Fira and therefore spelled as Φηρά (phi and not theta).
The first paragraph of the "Ancient and Medieval Santorini" is not well-written and therefore quite confusing. I suggest a revision of it.
I don't understand the meaning of "4.169-165" (regarding Herodotus).
ICE77 (talk) 20:41, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Santorini is not the name of the main island of the archipelago: the man who works here explained this to me and this article starts by defining Santorini as a collection of islands. Either the local man I spoke to is wrong or this article has a wrong definition. The fact Hawaii is one of the islands in the state of Hawaii is just a concidence (the name of the main island has been extended to the rest of the archipelago or viceversa, I don't know what is the case). I don't know if Santorini is an official name but it's widely used all over the main island in the archipelago. At the airport I read Santorini in Greek. Fira is marked as Thira/Θηρά in Google Maps. This is not correct since all I see as I travel on the main island is Fira/Φηρά. The fact itself that theta and phi are two different letters should be enough to prove this point. Not all main islands in Greece bear the names of the major/capital cities on the islands. Iraklion and Crete are one of many examples.
ICE77 (talk) 08:20, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
The man I spoke to is Greek, lives on Thira and manages a business and he happens to be working in the field of tourism so he is well-informed. His name is not important. I respect his privacy and I am not here to invent things but to provide constructive comments on what I read and what I saw. I did not read this article in Greek because I am not able to do that yet (if the article in Greek says that Santorini is the name of the main island then it is in contrast with what the English version of the same article says since Santorini is defined as an archipelago there). Once again, all I saw on the main island was Φηρά/Fira for the capital of Thira (Θηρα/Thira does not appear anywhere, at least on street signs). Iraklion and Crete are indeed a good current example. Going back in time proving your point is useless. I am talking about now. Besides, the old names were Candia for the island and Χάνδαξ/Chandax or Χάνδακας/Chandakas for the city (not the same).
ICE77 (talk) 20:20, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
"... a notably small presence of hornblende." What makes the smallness of the presence notable? Unfree (talk) 18:03, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
There seem to be several Saint Irenes. Which one did the Venetians name Santorini for, specifically? Lily20 (talk) 19:53, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
I think the two sections on Atlantis and Exodus speculation should be reduced to a single sentence with a link to the Atlantis page. They are given far too much prominence here for an article that is supposed to be about Santorini, not Atlantis. And giving so much space to the Exodus stuff here gives the page an eccentric, amateurish feel. Strawberryjampot (talk) 04:53, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
Re [2], four issues:
This is all so blindingly obvious … Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:35, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
The title of this article should be Thera, not Santorini. Thera is the legal and officially recognized name of the island, and Santorini continues only colloquially, and not in every nation or culture at that. Is the Wiki entry on Istanbul called Constantinople? Is the St. Petersburg entry entitled Leningrad? Do we have articles on Rhodesia? French Inchochina? Saigon? The use of Santorini as the "real name" on wiki and Thera as the "also known as" is an example of ethnocentric bias and should be stopped. TheCormac (talk) 18:26, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
There seems to be a lack of consistency over the names of some of these Greek islands. Zakynthos is preferred to Zante (Xante) for example: On that basis Thera (Thira) should be preferred to Santorini which seems to be a tourist name used by travel companies. As for Paxos the aricle is very confused indeed settling on the plural Paxi.--Dorkinglad (talk) 14:37, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
There was a major cruise ship that sank in the caldera a few years ago. Cruise-lining gets too little mention in the current Santorini article. 91.82.36.49 (talk) 12:35, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
Have a look to the website of santorini cable car. Who writes some words about it?--Ohrnwuzler (talk) 21:02, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
http://www.nature.com/news/researchers-monitor-volcanic-activity-at-santorini-1.11043
Currently, August 2012, the island in the centre of the Santorini caldera, has risen about 15cm in the last 18 months. Speculated at a rising bolus of magma. Suma rongi (talk) 08:31, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
When a vulcano with about 6 miles in diameter erupts in the see, what happens? Well, a huge Tsunami will start, buring every city within the Mediterranean see. So that's what the bible wrote about: (Mi)Noah. Makes all sense now...by the way I searched for this place for many years, it's unbelievable that we don't learn about this catastrophe in schools! --178.197.236.244 (talk) 14:42, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
In the right-most column, underneath the Municipality of Thera coat of arms (labeled only as "Seal"), there's a thumbnail image that shows the location of Santorini in the Aegean Sea. (The Aegaean Sea is unlabeled.) The tiny thumbnail includes a red dot labeled "Santorini / Thera."
When I click on the thumbnail, it opens to a big map of Greece, "File:Greece_location_map.svg."
Problem is that the red dot and its label are not being displayed on the big map, on my old XP laptop. So when I click on the thumbnail in the Santorini article, I'm getting a big map of Greece that doesn't show where Santorini is. If the problem only occurs on old XP laptops, then I'll accept it's a non-issue. Thanks, Nei1 (talk) 00:50, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
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"Minoan Eruption" etc. doesn't really give a date or timeline on the eruption. It could give est. 1500 BCE with some minor discussion as to dating. I do know there are sources out there suggesting a more precise date, right or wrong. - madman101 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.251.111.154 (talk) 19:06, 6 February 2018 (UTC)