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Are there any links or influence on the band, Avenged Sevenfold from Tourniquet? Luke Easter years; ie; Waking the Fallen ... very similar vocals,sound and so on ... just wondering? User:Alnico
I have added all the albums and tried to improve the layout of the album pages but there is still some info missing from quite a few of the albums, if anyone can add some more to it that would be great.--E tac 10:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
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There are blatant biases from the Christian metal scene perspective throughout this article. The level of influence, popularity, and originality of this band is grossly overstated. The awards and praise Tourniquet has recieved have come almost exclusively from Christian metal scene sources. This band did not reach the level of acclaim won by bands like Metallica and Slayer because their early material was exclusively distributed through Christian labels and outlets until they signed to Metal Blade well after these other bands were firmly established, and also because, despite their undeniable technical skill, Tourniquet is not as compositionally innovative as these bands; it is absurd to claim that Tourniquet were left out of the "Big Four" success level because their songs were "too complex", as Metallica and Megadeth have recorded albums (...and Justice For All and Rust In Peace, respectively) that are far more "complex" than anything Tourniquet have done. Furthermore, Tourniquet's Christian stance is condemned in the secular metal community, as it conflicts with the essence of metal philosophy, which is inherently anti-christian.
It is also important to point out that most Christian metal bands have ripped off elements of non-Christian bands, and Tourniquet is a prime example. It is no revolutionary thing that the band incorporated medical terminology in their lyrics, as the British grindcore/death metal band Carcass had already become known for doing this on their first three albums, all of which were released before Tourniquet began using this tactic. There are even drumbeats directly lifted from Carcass's 1991 album Necroticism onto Pathogenic Ocular Dissonance (example: listen to the distinctive opening drumbeat to Carcass's "Corporeal Jigsore Quandary" and compare it to the beat used in the guitar solo section of Tourniquet's "Exoskeletons"). Tourniquet have also been trend-hoppers throughout their career, incorporating death metal styled blast-beats and riff phrasings when death metal was at its peak, and then abandoning metal altogether to play grunge rock when that became popular.
This article needs to have a more objective position, as it misleads the casual reader by not making it clear enough that the vast majority of Tourniquet's notoriety has come from Christian metal publications and Christian radio stations, and not from secular metal sources.
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I bumped into an old 1999 Tourniquet interview recently via the Wayback Machine.[1] In that interview Tourniquet's former vocalist Luke Easter told that M. Russo who is credited as playing some solos in Vanishing Lessons was called Michael Russo and was actually a member of the band for a short while. Now, this interview was uploaded to some 90's Tourniquet fanpage so ok, maybe it's not a good reliable source. The interview was made in Germany when Tourniquet had a gig in Ennepetal. However, I found another source from the official Cross Rhythms website ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_Rhythms ) where they had archived their news from their old magazines ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_Rhythms_(magazine) ). Here's a link to the news: http://www.crossrhythms.co.uk/articles/news/Russo_Replaces_Mendez/41408/p1/ That site clearly mentions the magazine the news is from and the date too (Cross Rhythms Magazine issue 20 - 1st of April 1994).
So, again:
-M. Russo is credited as having played some solos in Vanishing Lessons album by Tourniquet. So far, he could be just a session musician for all we know.
-In an interview from way back in 1999, that may or may not be reliable source for information, a member of the band says M. Russo is Michael Russo and was briefly a member of the band. Played the solos and a couple of gigs.
-The official page for Cross Rhythms (a Christian organization also noted by Wikipedia) that still exists used to publish a physical magazine focusing on Christian music (magazine also noted by Wikipedia). In their official website they have archived news and articles from their old magazines and one of the news says "THE guitarist of Tourniquet Erik Mendez has left the band and been replaced by Michael Russo" and has the magazine issue mentioned along with the release date.
This update was removed as not reliable.
I can understand that maybe an old interview in some 90's fan page might not be reliable enough, but isn't Cross Rhythms more than enough reliable source for this info? I mean, M. Russo's involvement in the album is an undeniable fact. Any copy of the album will prove that. And the same year Vanishing Lessons was released Cross Rhythms gave news of Michael Russo being the new guitarist for Tourniquet, and then there's the oddball interview where his involvement with Tourniquet is again mentioned.
This is information very few Tourniquet fan has no knowledge about. Most, if not all, think Tourniquet went from Erik Mendez straight to Aaron Guerra while the evidence shows the name appearing in their album was actually a member of the band for a while although not mentioned as a member because he was out of the band before the release. He played for the album and, if the interview can be trusted, played a couple of shows with them.
I really hope the deleted information will be put back in Tourniquet's Wikipedia article. If not, I would like to hear the reasonings for that and how Cross Rhythms wouldn't be a good enough source.
Airola (talk) 19:40, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
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