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this should be moved to Testudines — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0A:EF40:A24:EE01:9875:76C3:BC0:3C2A (talk) 06:30, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why? "Turtle" is the clear WP:COMMONNAME. oknazevad (talk) 08:29, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Only in American English. If you look at tortoise in British dictionaries they describe the land animal and have a separate entry for American English (e.g. Collins). Similarly the turtle lives in the sea in the British definition. Dictionaries are a much better guide of WP:COMMONNAME than the phylogeny. —  Jts1882 | talk  10:05, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We should stick to what English language scientific literature uses worldwide. And that by and far uses the word "turtle" as the common name for the whole order when not using a Latin name, because that does reflect the reality of phylogenety. Tortoises are a subset of turtles. Even Australian English, which once reserved the word "turtle" for marine species, has gotten away from that (see the talk page archives for prior discussion). Plus British English is a poor guide based on the science. There are no fully terrestrial species on the island at all, and there hasn't been a semi-aquatic freshwater species native to there in at least five millennia, when the European pond turtle became extirpated. Mentioning British usage within the article is fine, but treating it as normative for a worldwide subject and therefore something that should determine the article title is to give undue weight to one island. oknazevad (talk) 16:43, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It’s hard to tell what part of the top section is turtle-specific. Things like “a shelled reptile” could be talking about all tortoises and terrapins as well as turtles. 2001:569:5657:1000:A856:2A79:F57:462 (talk) 03:54, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those are still turtles. Despite what you may have been taught as a child, tortoises are a subset of turtles, not a separate mutually exclusive category. oknazevad (talk) 08:28, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]