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I don't know who the hell wrote this article, but vince russo was not born in brooklyn, nor was he raised there. He was raised in Long Island, New York a few blocks away from where fellow professional wrestling personality mick foley grew up. His "brooklyn" accent is entirely fake.-— Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.203.117.240 (talk) 18:52, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Ive seen websites which say that the hogan incedent was staged. If so this is major breaking of the fourth wall.-— Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.61.179 (talk) 05:25, 29 December 2004 (UTC)
This article really needs Russo's date (or at least year) of birth. I realize how hard it can be with wrestling figures (as with actors) to get a "legit" DOB, but I hope that a major fan will really try.Rlquall 10:46, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Vince Russo actually stated on his website (that is no longer available) at ringofglory.com that Hogan and Vince Russo were in on the entire thing. However, he told Hogan to leave the arena afterwards. In addition, what exactly Russo stated may not have gone through with Hogan on the shoot afterwards. With the Internet blowing up afterwards, Hogan started to believe that he was screwed by Russo which later led him to file a "defamation of character" lawsuit, which he ended up losing.
Russo never hated Hogan, but he didn't call him back after that incident. The reason Hogan lost the lawsuit was because Russo never publically insulted Hogan outside of the ring and what happened during the Russo/Hogan incident at Bash At The Beach 2000 was all a work. Russo also stated that he never told Jeff Jarrett about it, so when Jeff entered the ring during the Hogan "match", Jeff wasn't "in" on the entire situation, while Hogan was.
This article is seriously disjointed and jumps all over the place as it explains the role Russo has played in the WCW and beyond. This really needs to be cleaned up. Eric42 00:13, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
- I agree that this entire article is a mess and needs to be cleaned up. It's frequently edited by individuals who have a positive or negative opinion of him. Marty2Hotty (talk) 06:56, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
One year anniversary does not make sense. After a year or on the first anniversary would be better.12:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Though I agree with the gist of most of this article, I disagree with some of the opinions that surface throughout the article. For example, I didn't find the Deadly Games tournament to be "a phenomenal show . . . that [has everything that] makes a story entertaining." I would say however, that it was the epitome of the "Crash TV" style developed in part by Vince Russo because of the many swerves. That's not to say that I thought the swerves were clever, I did not think them clever and I also thought the in ring story-telling suffered at the expense of the many plot twists (That's why I disagree with your "phenomenal" characterization).
I would also, generally disagree with your assessment of the Russo-era in WCW. In general, I thought Russo did a good job of bring life to company that couldn't come up with a new creative idea to save its life in the latter stages of Bischoff's nWo run. Though WCW never made a ratings resurgence, I don't believe Russo was responsible for the most damage. The credit for that goes to Bischoff, Hogan, Kevin Nash and Kevin Sullivan. I am personally of the opinion that Kevin Sullivan's post-Russo booking was what put the final nail in WCW's coffin.
I guess from an objective perspective, you can't really say Russo did a good job or a bad job creatively in WCW, but you can certainly say Russo's booking didn't win back the fans from WWE. Jamesrphillips 05:59, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
I made the most recent edits, while I agree Russo didn't bring WCW back to glory, I do feel he made fundamental changes to Nitro to begin that process. But, as history notes, he only had 9 non-consecutive months as head booker. So I feel it should be noted that Russo at least attempted to kickstart WCW through the changes he made.
- The article is too opinionated and needs a neutral stance. You may use Russo's "Forgiven" book as a source, his new book that gets released in one month "Rope Opera" can be used as a source, web.archive.org's previous Russo entries from ringofglory.com or vincerussoforgiven.com will provide more on his stance. The use and analyzation of the ratings needs to be edited substantially to provide a neutral standpoint. I may try and clean a lot of this up later with credible less opinionated sources. Marty2Hotty (talk) 06:59, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi all.
In my first *ever* Wikipedia entry, I've added a section from the book "The Death of the Wrestling Federation" speculating that he intentionally sabotaged his own operation in WWE, as he basically wanted to move to TNA all along (and used McMahon simply to 'buy him out' of his WCW/Time Warner contract).
Bear in mind that the book is touted to have taken direct quotes from backstage WWE employees, and it certainly seems to make the source credible - even if Russo himself was lying when he told it to them.
The book also has similar quotes regarding other wrestlers etc., which had previously not been reported.
I don't know if the section I added was entirely relevant (although I think it is), as I notice that a section speculating that Stephanie McMahon was the reason he left, was removed over the past few weeks.
- The 'intentionally sabotaging' his WWE return was deleted by me because there are no credible sources to back that up. Just all hearsay. Instead, I put a few sentences using HIS perspective on what happened from an interview he did in 2002. This has been sourced. Hearsay and reports from WWE employees can be highly subjective third-party information as wrestling news sites are known to be all about. Stephanie McMahon being a reason why he left is irrelevant and Russo speaks about this on the same interview. I feel the section at this time has been cleaned up. Marty2Hotty (talk) 20:02, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
"Challenged Hugo Leon for the "Cheaaaaap" World Title Belt (2005)"
This was listed under the "Championships and accomplishments" section. First, I have to question just who is Hugo Leon and what orginazation was this for? A search on google for the "Cheaaaap" World title brought nothing so I am confused. Also, did he win? If not, what makes this a notable accomplishment? I am thinking about deleting this for now. Eric42 20:10, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Not necessarily hilarious - you get all kinds of wierd and wonderful title names now. Yes, I saw it as vandalism, but I have followed wrestling intently for a few years (although am now dissillusioned). You should not mock someone who probably doesn't know a whole lot about wrestling (or at least Russo) for making a mistake many would no doubt make. This is meant to be a welcoming encyclopedia... Tory88 (talk) 15:07, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- I agree that the vandalism cannot easily be known as vandalism for those that do not follow wrestling regularly. If someone is coming here to edit this article not knowing much about wrestling and is googling information to verify information, it can be challenging as wrestling is known for a lot of outlandish storylines and gimmicks. I would like to request a semi-protected article for this as it frequently is vandalized. Marty2Hotty (talk) 20:04, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
I added the POV tag because quite frankly, this page is a mess with false and unverifyed information. Most of it is just a vehicle for Russo hate, and no hate or love should be shown on the page.
Checked the page just to note that there were a number of "additions" made that were basically just insults. How often is this happening? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thekithless (talk • contribs) 22:28, 12 February 2007 (UTC).
- I think it may need protection (again). Russo is a controversial figure in wrestling that evokes a lot of opinionated individuals Marty2Hotty (talk) 07:01, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
'rediculous booking, bad storylines' saying that the Sting and Abyss storyline is rediculous, keyword 'rediculous'. Bias, and opinion. Remove them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.152.170.176 (talk) 01:12, 26 February 2007 (UTC).
it shoudl be noted that the crowd was chanting fire russo dorning the last rites match.
You can clearly hear the chants on the PPV. If a football player audibly swore at a ref during a game, would this also need people to write about it?
I've just added the recent criticism and unhappiness coming out of the TNA locker room to this and the links to the anti-Russo Myspace page which is getting more and more popular by the second.--User:Rgp1 15:26, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I understand what you're saying mate but this is basically a snowball affect - wrestler unrest, fans chanting at the pay-per-view and now a movement (and I say a movement because that is exactly what it is, people bombarding TNA office with emails) on Myspace. Everyone knows how hated Russo is, I can't stand him, his ideas are very strange.--User:Rgp1 22: 54 27 March (UTC)
Russo does'nt book the shows as much as the fans think he does. They don't know a lick, and there all living in the past, their opinions and fat petitions are meaningless and futile, as their voices will not be (and deservedly at that) heard.
I hav'nt had a problem with Russo since he came back, and I liked a great deal of things he did in WCW (New Blood, Booker T's title reigns, Scott Steiner getting airtime to cut shoots, and Jarret's multiple title reigns). Unfortunatly, his other ideas were so overbearingly negative, objectivity has been thrown out of the window
Dr. R.KZ. 17:23 April 26th 2007 (UTC)
I wholeheartedly agree. For example, this sentence: "One of the ideas included the idea of putting the now vacated WCW Title on the shoot fighter Tank Abbott, a former UFC fighter but an erstwhile talentless wrestler." I personally agree with it, but it is pure opinion and not encyclopeic in the least... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.73.242.50 (talk) 19:32, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
There's a lot of info on here, and I'm sure most of it's true, but almost none of it has any sources (reliable or otherwise) attached. At the moment I don't really care whether the sources are reliable - as long as a source is presented as news and not opinion. We'll sort out the reliable vs. not reliable thing afterwards.--Nonpareility 15:49, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Maybe you should take a look at Russo's book, and listen to the many interviews he has done with various wrestling journalists.
Why does it say that Russo did not get to write any of the early TNA shows when Jerry Jarrett said in his book that Russo wrote nearly all of them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Misawaloveme (talk • contribs) 17:31, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
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Whoever wrote that Vince Russo brought the ratings up in WCW is quite mistaken. There is a lot of evidence that shows that Russo caused the ratings to drop, and that Vince McMahon was actually the one who oveersaw Russo's work in the WWF; McMahon was the one, therefore, who caused the Raw ratings to increase, not Russo. Kevin j 16:59, September 15, 2007 (UTC)
Oh I agree with you that ratings didn't come up with Russo in WCW, but to say McMahon had the ideas you have to be out of your mind. The problem with Russo is he needs a filter on them, that's what McMahon was and he kept a lot of the bad ideas off the screen. Problem in WCW was his leaving and coming back and being given total control. With no control he let all his ideas out of the bag and that's what caused fans to leave. And to further prove the point go do some research on what Vince's ideas have done to WWF. Steamboat anyone? Or what about Bastion Booger? In fact I would say that when McMahon is left on his own, he is his own worst enemy. 71.224.110.27 03:50, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
As a matter of fact it was Vince Russo who was resonsible for the defining storylines of the Attitude Era, storylines such as the Undertaker and Kane saga, DX, the creation of the Mr. McMahon character and of course the Austin/McMahon feud. He wrote the shows later along with Ed Ferrara , with 'some' over seeing of the work by McMahon. Probably should watch the Ultimate Insiders DVD with Wade Keller which reveals actions and happenings closer to the truth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.141.64.148 (talk) 19:23, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Russo and Ferrara were part of a team with Terry Taylor and Jim Cornette which was overseen by McMahon.And the Undetaker/Kane (who burnder down the funeral home?) was the most confusing, poorly written garbage he has ever come up with. And thats a high bar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Misawaloveme (talk • contribs) 22:31, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Where is the WCW section? The article completely skips over it!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.84.19 (talk) 04:20, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
I think there needs to be if not a section, then a subsection on every instance where TNA fans chant "Fire Russo!" or where Russo-fied booking blows up in TNA's face, such as hiring Pacman Jones (did nothing for ratings), hiring Andrew "Test" Martin (gone after one episode), hiring Junior Fatu (gone after two episodes), the ridiculous amount of gimmick matches ([insert random noun] on a pole match!), and other instances of totally nonsensical booking. Not out of biasedness, but just to report just how much TNA is suffering, especially in its ratings drops or stagnation, due to Russo-fied booking —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.87.105.8 (talk) 12:43, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
- Fire Russo is something that happened during the Destination X 2007 PPV. The chants came about during the "Last Rites" match with Sting and Abyss. Fans felt Russo was responsible for all the gimmick matches when it was reported that Russo may not have had a heavy hand in a lot of it at TNA. If something like this were to be added in a criticism section in TNA, we may have to find a way to put it in if we feel that it is relevant. Currently, there is a blurb on Russo being re-signed with TNA since September 2006 and nothing really specific about his role in the company has been added. Marty2Hotty (talk) 20:08, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
- There is way too much opinion on this wikipedia page. It drastically needs to be cleaned up. Marty2Hotty (talk) 06:50, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Substantially cleaned up the article, adding references, removing bias. I will need to re-read Russo's book "Forgiven" to add more from his perspective rather than biased third-party information. For now, the article is substantially better than it was a few weeks ago. Marty2Hotty (talk) 07:17, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Since Wikipedia prides itself on accuracy and full disclosure of pertinent facts, this article should have something in it about Russo's view that women cannot be leaders "because of the fact that they came from the man's rib", something he said publicly, on his own podcast, and subsequently defended in a YouShoot interview. It should also mention that many in the industry find the claim that he is responsible for 90's WWE boom period highly questionable. 92.239.2.16 (talk) 07:29, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
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I believe Vince Russo currently works for Devotion Championship Wrestling, based in Salt Lake City, Utah. I’m unable to find an article that makes such an announcement. I am able to find Facebook posts about it, including this video:
Note: Vince does refer to Devotion Championship Wrestling as “Devotional Championship Wrestling” in this video, which is an error on his part. Redertainment (talk) 13:51, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
This article was in great need of a large-scale clean-up due to factors such as the previously stated "Too much opinion", in addition to numerous cases of incredibly one-sided and factually untrue/off-topic information added to spin a negative agenda against the figure. This article on several occasions has (very predictably) become negatively biased due to the person in question being a known controversial figure within his industry. Which is why it was in dire need of a highly overdue clean-up to include a far more neutral point of view, as well as the removal of completely non-relevant or factually untrue and disproven statements.
Examples:
- The following quote objectively makes no sense:
"How can a person who has a 15-year history of failure still keep a job?"
It is factually documented that Russo ceased writing for wrestling in 2012, within that 15 year timeframe he was factually the head writer for TNA Wrestling when they achieved their highest ratings in company history, which still stands to this day. The exact same documented fact is true for his time at the WWF, this is already mentioned in other sections within the article. Leaving this quote being both objectively false and clearly added by someone with a personal negative agenda to include it within the page. Additionally, similar negative statements cannot be found on any similar figure's WP pages even when the same statement would be far more accurate and logical to include it. Case in point: Paul Heyman was factually the head writer of a company that went out of business, yet despite several figures within the wrestling history being quoted that Heyman was the direct cause of this, none such comments are mentioned within his WP page. Conclusion: If a figure who has a *factually proven* case of large-scale failure doesn't have any mention of that on their WP Page, how does it make the slightest sense to include a similar statement on the page of a figure who had a majority of successes within the same industry and role? The answer: It doesn't. At all.
- Other sourced quotes are the result of either factually disproven hearsay or, as already mentioned, highly one-sided/agenda-driven/non-relevant information.
"a magazine writer that thought he was a wrestling expert that never had a good idea in his life." (completely opinion based and not grounded in any facts whatsoever given his record-breaking success at both the WWF and TNA. I.E. no logical relevancy to be included)
Tony Khan's quotes regarding WCW are entirely unfounded (Russo factually grew the television ratings at WCW before choosing to leave after his contract was breached, the ratings subsequently declined when a new head writer replaced him, followed by Russo being asked to return in order to improve the ratings after the high level of damage to the viewership had already been carried out in his absence). The inclusion of this quote is in even more incoherent as the person in question (Khan) has achieved substantially lower and continuously declining ratings within the same role as head writer of a wrestling company.
- Conclusion
I have decisively showcased that the above quotes are not grounded in any type of actual logic whatsoever. The Legacy section now contains an entirely neutral point of view of both positive and negative information relating to the figure. As well as the section now including only actual truthful information, as opposed to the several incredibly biased, incoherent and factually untrue statements that were previously added and which should have logically been removed immediately after. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.241.0.169 (talk) 12:33, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
For rewording the other quotes I have this idea:
>Gene Okerlund claimed in 2004 that Russo's ideas were successful in the WWF because Vince McMahon was able to filter them, while Ric Flair doubted Russo's WWF influence during their time together in WCW,[1] later blaming Russo for the disorganization of WCW.[2] Eric Bischoff has said that Russo was hired at WCW by overstating his influence in WWF, which Bischoff called "fraudulent."[3] Wrestling promoters Tony Khan and Jody Hamilton have criticized Russo's role in the downfall of WCW,[4][5] and TNA co-founder Jerry Jarrett expressed regret at the decision of bringing Russo in.[5]
.RF23 (talk) 23:45, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
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