The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 13:15, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

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Jake Bates

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... ~~that the first field goal of Jake Bates's life was the second-longest in professional football history?~~ Source: a bunch for it being second-longest, e.g. [1] - this for it being the first field goal of his life ("So, the 64-yarder to seal the Panthers' 18-16 victory over the St. Louis Battlehawks — the kick was a boomer that split the uprights and might've been good for 70 — was really the first field goal he's ever made in a game.")
- Reviewed:COSMOS field and Thorpe, North Yorkshire (both donated by user:Storye book to speed things up a bit, due to the current backlog. Note: the article creators and the nominator have no obligations regarding these reviews, and their names are not mentioned on the review templates. Storye book (talk) 16:12, 12 April 2024 (UTC)).
- Comment: (by BeanieFan11) I did not write the article; however, I had heard about the subject and this seemed like a pretty good hook, so I'm nominating it.

Created by DenverBounded (talk) and Danjobilly1 (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 156 past nominations.

Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:20, 6 April 2024 (UTC).

I shall review this. Storye book (talk) 15:37, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Thank you for this nomination - it is much appreciated that you have done this.

This nomination was late by one day, which I am prepared to overlook on this occasion.
I have copied some refs to sit next to the hook facts, in the article. This will not affect this DYK review,

Good to go. Storye book (talk) 16:12, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I've unpromoted this per the concerns at WP:ERRORS (Special:Permalink/1219742233). It sounds like this needs more work to remove several types of ambiguity (American, professional, tied), so sending it back here where this can get hashed out without the clock ticking towards midnight. RoySmith (talk) 15:25, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
@Fram, Amakuru, Storye book, RoySmith, Bagumba, and Secretlondon: Since I've been requested to discuss this here instead of the errors page, your thoughts on any of the following?
- ALT1: ... ~~that the first field goal Jake Bates ever made in a game was the second-longest in professional American football history?~~
- ALT2: ... ~~that the first field goal Jake Bates ever made in a game was the second-longest in professional football history?~~
- ALT3: ... ~~that the first in-game field goal of Jake Bates's life was the second-longest in professional American football history?~~
- ALT4: ... ~~that the first in-game field goal of Jake Bates's life was the second-longest in professional football history?~~
BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:25, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- ALT3 seems the safest, to me. Storye book (talk) 16:29, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Terms like "ever" and "life" seem redundant to me. His first, without qualification, is by definition his first ever or the first in his life. Should the fact that he tied the second longest be mentioned? And do we trust that a site like HawgBeat vetted NFL Europe for their records?—Bagumba (talk) 17:02, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
  - As for Rivals.com, I had used it as it was the first source to come up in my googling for the record. There's others, e.g. Detroit Free Press. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:13, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
    - Good, less concern with Free Press (though journalism across the board is on the decline)—Bagumba (talk) 18:18, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

@Storye book: Can you check to ensure that all concerns have been resolved and this can be approved? Z1720 (talk) 13:48, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Z1720 for the reminder. I see that the Detroit Free Press citation has been applied in the article.
Good to go with ~~ALTs 0, 1, 2, 3 or 4.~~
Note to promoter and admin: if you want to remove the word "ever" or "life" from a hook while in prep, that is fine by me; I understand the point made above. However I also understand that the readers will get that the hook is referring to official records of the player's professional life only. So I don't mind either way, but please change it if it worries you. Storye book (talk) 16:29, 2 May 2024 (UTC).
- Suggest inverting all of these hooks to put the bolded article link earlier, which also allows the omission of various unnecessary words. For example, ALT4 would become "ALT4a... that Jake Bates's first in-game field goal was the second-longest in professional football history?" —BlueMoonset (talk) 18:21, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, BlueMoonset. That solves the problem.
Good to go (this time) with ALT 4a. Storye book (talk) 19:33, 2 May 2024 (UTC)