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There is no such thing as "salaffiyah" as a school of divinity, salafis are Athari in their school of Aqeedah. Sakimonk talk 00:23, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
The list is not accurate, Mu'tazili is the main shia school but historically it was heavily adopted by those sunni in fiqh (like hanafi mutazilis). So it should be an OTHER school. Moreover, Murjia are definately NOT extinct, some scholars argue that a HUGE proportion of Muslims are influence by murjia philsophy hence why so many muslims you come across don't pray salah! I've named it Other schools because they are alive and kicking sadly lol. Sakimonk talk 17:26, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Two threads concerning now-undone edits by sock of blocked editor
Kharijites & terrorist groups
@TheDestroyer10: Almost the entire population of Oman is Kharijites, adhering to a sub sect called Ibadis. Do you honestly think 3/4 Oman are terrorists? Secondly, heretics is POV term. They are heretics to Sunni Muslims, and Wikipedia shouldn't be using that term to label an entire religious sect. Thirdly, Al-Qaeda, ISIL, etc are terrorist Sunni groups. They do not therefore belong there. If they are not Sunni, they are Wahabi/Salafi a group sometimes seen to be separate of Sunni Muslims, which already has been listed.--Peaceworld 10:13, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
@Peaceworld111: Hi, thanks for your message.
Almost the entire population of Oman is Kharijites, adhering to a sub sect called Ibadis. Do you honestly think 3/4 Oman are terrorists?
My opinion doesn't matter here, because Wikipedia deals with controversy by finding out the facts from all sides, see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view.
Throughout Islamic history, Sunnis considered Ibadis as Kharijis who caused the disunity of the Muslim community. Ibadis, in turn, thought of Sunnis as submissive to political corruption and as deviant from the straight path.
Source: The Other Frontiers of Arab Nationalism: Ibadis, Berbers, and the Arabist-Salafi Press in the Interwar Period by Amal N. Ghazal.
And if you speak Arabic: بوابة الحركات الاسلامية: الإباضية.. النشأة .. التاريخ.. والواقع
The most important groups among the Kharijites are the Muhakkima, the Azariqa, the Najdat, the Baihasiya, the 'Ajarida, the Tha'aliba, the Ibadiya and the Sufriya. The others are subdivisions of these. Common to them all is dissociation from 'Uthman and 'Ali which they consider of greater moment than any other act of obedience. Marriages, moreover, are only allowed on this condition. They hold, too, that those who commit grave sins are unbelievers, and that rebellion against an imām who opposes sunna is a duty and an obligation.
Source: Muslim Sects and Divisions by Muhammad ibn Abd al-Karim Shahrastani (Author), A. K. Kazi (Translator), J. G. Flynn (Translator).
The Kharijites are the earliest Islamic sect, who were known for their intolerance, fanaticism and exclusiveness. The immediate cause of the Kharijite split was the arbitration to which Ali, after being victorious against Muawiya in the battle of Siffin in the year 648 A.D., submitted. The Kharijites denounced Ali for submitting to human arbitration, because God is sole judge and arbiter. These fanatic rebels fought against Ali, and after his assassination, against the Umayyads. The Kharijites totally rejected the doctrine of justification by faith alone, without deeds. They emphasized the deeds as an essential part of faith. Anyone who has committed a mortal sin is an unbeliever, an apostate. All non-Khariji Muslims are regarded as apostates by them.
Source: Journal of Dharma - Volume 12 - Page 16.
By the way, there is a hadith saying that, "The Kharijites are the Dogs of Hellfire."
Now, which do you prefer "Heretics" or "Dogs of Hellfire"? Hahaha, just kidding. We can replace this word "heretics" with "takfiris." What do you think?--TheDestroyer10 (talk) 19:21, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
@Peaceworld111: Bring up your proofs (Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources) as you were the one who started this discussion, or I will use my right to do what I want Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard.
"The Kharijites were takfiris, that is, they damned as unbelievers the perpetrators of grave sins. Allegiance to rival authorities was such a sin, so those who rejected Kharijite claims were, in their estimation tantamount to apostates, who had forfeited the civil protection owed to believers. The Kharijite movement fomented rebellions for centuries."
Source: The Case of the Animals Versus Man Before the King of the Jinn by Richard McGregor, Lenn E. Goodman.
"neo-Kharijites (Takfiri groups)."
Source: The De-Radicalization of Jihadists: Transforming Armed Islamist Movements (Contemporary Terrorism Studies) by Omar Ashour.
"A derogatory name used in modern Muslim societies to designate a radical Islamist who attacks fellow Muslims, Khariji, along with terms such as jihadi and takfiri (one who excommunicates fellow Muslims)"
the list contains too many irrelevant people like Muhammad al-Fatih (the conqueror of Constantinople) and Ali Ünal. In addition many names are on the Sufism template listed here.. They should be deleted126.96.36.199 (talk) 08:14, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
Many of the names listed here, see * Notable early * Notable modern should not be repeated on this Template:Aqidah. This is not the purpose of the template. Even these names are not listed explicitly on Template:Sufism but links are given like * Notable early * Notable modern 188.8.131.52 (talk) 08:20, 4 January 2016 (UTC)