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Good essay. If you start to work on getting the WP:NPA policy changed, of work to change this in other ways, let me know and consider me on board. --David Shankbone 13:54, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
This is in response to your statement that Slim Virgin is "a powerful clique member".
There is a Clique, yes - a Conspiracy, a Cabal, a Hidden Cluster of Admins Communicating With Each Other Out Of The Public Eye Ooh Spooky Scary.
And you know what?
Slim isn't one of us.
Oh, she is an old-timer, I'll admit (and oh god, "three years ago" is "old times"?), and she's dropped by once or twice. But I'm a regular - I'm there almost daily - and in all that time I don't think I've seen her more than once. DS 02:05, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Um... if we are going to play "Good Cop/Bad Cop" couldn't you at least have told me? I might have wanted to be "bad cop"! nb. I hereby confirm that this is (intended as) a humourous edit! ;~) LessHeard vanU 16:25, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
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If you are referring to the Michael Moore thing then you should understand that this is a different case. Michael Moore didn't go around demanding personal information and the address of Ted Frank. Don Murphy goes around asking for those very things. I'm not worried about what Murphy will do, I'm worried about his fans, who may do anything to please him. You may say that that does nothing to damage Wikipedians, the information is already available to these fans; but you should understand that by allowing such a link, we are almost condoning the actions taken by Murphy. I won't remove it, but I'm certainly not happy it is there. Saturday Contribs 00:05, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes, all coup sticks are acoustic. Nice to see a sense of humor around. KP Botany 19:15, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
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Hey, I removed your Rutabaga comment because I worry it might be accused of disrupting wikipedia to prove a point / might otherwise hurt your case. But it's totally up to you-- please feel free to add it back in if you're sure you want it. Alecmconroy 20:58, 16 September 2007 (UTC) (ps, it did make me chuckle)
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Thanks for the heads up on Wikitruth. If you know of any others that are notable, let me know. P-J is close, but it probably skirts the definition of "anti-wiikipedia attack site" enough that it would probably just muddy the waters to include it in the list. --Alecmconroy 05:11, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
BTW, there is no consensus for including these sleazy sites and even Fred Bauder has stated it. Can you show me the consensus? For example Wikitruth has articles on notable topics like David Gerard Kelly Martin and FCYTravis do we want to make it easy for people to find this crap? This is not complicated, Dan. 61.60.74.118 19:55, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
What's your take? Privatemusings 07:01, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
You're right about that - could I ask you what your best conceivable outcome from this controversy / debacle would be? Do we require any such policy? How can we reduce the wasted effort from the community on this issue?
My energy is directed towards encouraging a broad consensus before we test the limits - I support Newyorkbrad's work thus far, and Alec has completed some interesting analysis of specific cases previously (ED = remove, DonMurphy = keep, MichaelMoore = keep, WR = keep in context). Privatemusings 12:44, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm bothered by the "harassment" issue as well. The business of digging up some comment weeks after the fact and using it as justification for a link pogrom sounds like harassment; a a few cranky remarks in a blog that you aren't reading isn't harassment.
Right now I think we should work from the NewYorkBrad proposal; it seems to hit most of the main points clearly, and it at least is a rational starting point, rather than an act of dogma. Mangoe 13:06, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
I've been reading your contributions to various discussions across Wikipedia for some time now. I just wanted to throw in some support for your (apparently) unpopular stances on a variety of issues. Large portions of the vocal community here are surprisingly intolerant to rational discussion and I commend you rising above the masses. HydroMagi 18:37, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't see any IP vandalism there. Would you consider unprotecting? -- User:146.115.58.152 22:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Edit a user page to include such content again and you'll be blocked. One warning only. Neil ム 12:41, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
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So, I'm tired of you having all the fun of having a dedicated essay to the BADSITES issue. I've written my own little manifesto, User:Alecmconroy/AGF and BADSITES. I've also posted it to the mailing list.
The gist of it is that the ANTI-BADSITES people aren't Pro-Harassment, immoral, or trolls, and people should stop implying that they are. What do you want to bet that within 48 hours, someone will have responded to my claim that ANTI-BADSITES people aren't pro-harassment, immoral, or trolls by accusing me of being pro-harassment, immoral, or a troll? <sigh>
Your input most welcome on the essay, and the general-case version of it, Wikipedia:Dissent is not disloyalty. -Alecmconroy 17:08, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
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Re this comment - the answer is "for some values of anyone". We have had a blocking and banning policy for a good long time, there is no significant dissent from the view that "anyone can edit" does not mean "anyone can use as a forum for foolishness". We block people for consistently unproductive behaviour, and we ban them for consistently disruptive behaviour, and we have pretty much always done so. Incidentally, I think you are skating on very thin ice right now, and it's showing signs of melting. Do take care. Guy (Help!) 15:05, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Just yesterday you made the just quoted edit that refers to "the "in crowd"" and now you wish to claim "I haven't recently labeled anybody as being part of a "clique" or "cabal"". Please tell me you understand that this is a difference that makes no difference and that you will review your edits for tone with greater discrimination in the future. About half the time, after I have typed a reply, I don't send it. Writing it helps get out the emotion. Not sending it saves me the trouble of replying to its replies. Re-re-re-read anything you write. It's all saved for the rest of your life online. WAS 4.250 01:40, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Yuo mentioned that someone had left an edit summary of "Reverted trolling from ED and WR partisans." Could you provide the diff, please? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 01:34, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
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A request for arbitration involving you has been filed. ViridaeTalk 03:44, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
is very likely this members only mailing list we found on Kelly Martin's del.icio.us, wonder what exactly takes place there. 210.235.223.182 (talk) 23:05, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
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Congratulations, that should help shake things up around here. --arkalochori |talk| 01:56, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
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Thank you for the compliment. It's much appreciated. :-) SlimVirgin (talk)(contribs) 00:42, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Can you please explain to what you meant by this oppose on Elonka's RfA? I am not sure what you meant with it, and if you don't mind, I'd like some clarification please. Thanks! Acalamari 19:51, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
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Hi I posted the suggestion that we should have a London Wikipedia meetup next week here. Would be cool if we could get some people together. I was thinking either a social meet or maybe a collaboration meetup where we bring a selected London article up to GA or even FA status. Poeloq (talk) 00:42, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
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Your comments in response to supports are... unnecessary. —Random832 15:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Is a swipe at someone as being your "worst enemy" your idea of comforting them when their parent is critically ill?[5] That's really lower than low. Raymond Arritt (talk) 21:51, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
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Would you like rollback? I think you'd make good use of it. From your edits, I have no reason to think that you'd revert-war or revert good-faith edits with it. Acalamari 03:13, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
My effort to regain adminship was unsuccessful, But I wanted to thank you for taking some time out of your day to voice your opinion.--MONGO 19:31, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Hello. I just wanted to let you know that I agree with your analysis of the living category inclusion for this article as being POV but other editors there, the regulars strongly disagree. I made the same aurgument before reading all the history and came to the same conclusion that the artilce belong in the disappeared persons category and that category says not to include people in the that category in the living category. Thank you.--24.250.59.250 (talk) 17:20, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
For what it's worth, Dan, I agree with your sentiments at this checkuser, but I think your tone was too polemical. It shifts the focus from the evidence and the immediate problem to larger more contentious issues. By pushing some hot buttons it makes it harder to move that case forward, which I know you want to do. You will only shift the less functional, less transparent elements Wikipedia's culture with an accumulation of hard evidence; this checkuser potentially may yield one more piece -- if it doesn't get squelched.
That's my two cents. --A. B. (talk) 15:32, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
A ArbCom request you might be interested in reading [6]. Cla68 (talk) 03:09, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
This episode was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I've started drafting an RfC here. There's a lot of evidence to sift through and present, so I think it will take awhile to get it put together. If you'd like to participate, please feel free to do so. Cla68 (talk) 06:53, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
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Did you see my comment on the RFC talk? The decision for moving forward this way wasn't based on attack sites issues at all. There was a precedent a year ago that dealt with BLP issues. DurovaCharge! 02:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
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I believe the admin behavior in this case, given that the editor had yet to make an article space edit and was attempting to seek help in good faith, fails WP:BITE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.7.146.249 (talk) 21:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
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And could have written the thing myself. God. The thing about paranoid people is that they are dangerous. It's not schizophrenics per se that are dangerous, but the paranoid variety (especially if young and male and able) very certainly can be. A person who feels threated has no ethics, no morals, and not much judgement. They just shoot on sight and it might be the old guy with the shotgun who thinks the electric-meter reader is a backyard prowler. There's only one thing you can do with the thin-skinned (other than medication and reassurrance and nice quite surroundings), and that's DON'T give them power! If you do, you get Stalin (diagnosed clinically paranoid by a doctor long before he took power). And Stalinesque purges.
And as you point out, the US has been through exactly the same thing on 9/11 as a hive of bees that has been kicked. We stung everybody available and close, without good info. Turns out we had no frigging idea what Sadaam's motives were (he did tell the FBI before being hanged), and it was certainly the case that he was no danger to us. But HEEEERE we are. In the case of WP, we're in the same place, for about the same reason. We need to replace some mentally unstable. Jimbo, who seems to be one of those high-serotonin "I'm okay, you're okay" types, never will do it on his own. I'm not even sure he SEES paranoia. We project that which we are. He edits under his own name. He trusts too much. He's got other things to do. I really don't think that in this case the fish rots from the head down, unless the heads' problem is not bothering to figure out why things smell worse and worse as time goes on, when you just passively let people have power who want it. Powerseeking people are quite often paranoid as hell. Bush. Chaney. Wolfowitz. SBHarris 03:01, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
The Chewbacca defense is outstanding, and adds to his mostly non-existant defense. --Rocksanddirt (talk) 16:42, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I feel you will be interested in this one - keep a cool head but :P ViridaeTalk 11:39, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
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[7] I've certainly noticed, and long been impressed by your efforts to support the hoi polloi around here. It's amazing more people don't realize what an important check and benefit for the project that's been. Mackan79 (talk) 00:05, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Please remember where you are and don't make personal attacks [8] or accuse others gratuitously of trolling. [9] I also note that you have recently made very snide and nasty accusations about "Slim and her clique of friends" [10]. Please stop that too. --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 18:54, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
I believe that Tony knew he was losing this argument, because he suddenly tried to take it to the ArbCom. They don't appear to be helping him out so far. Cla68 (talk) 02:21, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Just FYI, most of the ones I looked at were BLP-related, some indirect. There's more to this than meets the eye. Incidentally, and totally off topic...care to support my comments over at WT:NPA about why vandalism shouldn't be included in that policy? Risker (talk) 02:09, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I normally agree with you on the BADSITES issue but you're taking it to a ridiculous extreme. JzG's edits in this case are not in any way suppressing discussion. —Random832 (contribs) 17:23, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm drafting a user-conduct RfC here. Please feel free to assist if would like to add anything to it. Cla68 (talk) 04:12, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
A user by the name of 'dtobias' came to the Biographicon and created a short biography for Wikipedia editor Dan Tobias. This user previously vandalized an article about Wikipedia administrator Guy Chapman, in conjunction with a user named, 'Guy Chapman'.
Although the content of the new biography does not seem overtly negative, I am unfamiliar with the BADSITES initiative, and it seems likely this user is attempting to subtly malign you. I thought you might like to be made aware of this and approve or change what has been written about you: Dan Tobias
Thanks,
Daniel Terhorst (talk) 01:38, 4 April 2008 (UTC)