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Michael Jackson's tour called Bad[edit]

You moved an article back to your preferred name even after your previous move was reverted. In the future, a disputed article move must be put forward by following the instructions at WP:Requested move. Thank you.

Please feel free to offer your opinion at Talk:Bad_World_Tour#Requested_move. Binksternet (talk) 21:13, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello![edit]

I want to apologize, because I little bit messed up your edits in Victory tour article. Finally I put all your edits back, because they are reasonable and make article better.

Only one thing remains: please do not change the Bad tour link on that page to Unity tour link, because Victory tour is more closely connected to Michael career highlights, not to his brothers careers. Victory tour could have just as well been Michael solo tour in 1984.


Thank you! Lassoboy (talk) 05:19, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

September 2012[edit]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Bad (tour). Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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It won't make sense out of context, but here's my question[edit]

You've been asked before, but where is your source for the song "Best of Joy"? If you cannot back up your claim then it's just heresay and will be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.175.37.54 (talk) 01:26, 24 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

January 2013[edit]

Please do not add promotional material to Wikipedia, as you did to Bad 25. While objective prose about beliefs, products or services is acceptable, Wikipedia is not intended to be a vehicle for soapboxing, advertising or promotion. Thank you. Binksternet (talk) 00:56, 26 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on This Is It (concerts). Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Please be particularly aware, Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:

  1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made; that is to say, editors are not automatically "entitled" to three reverts.
  2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 18:44, 26 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I added sources just like what the IP user told me to do and yet he still reverts my edits. EscapeX (talk) 20:03, 26 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Read the text again, I frankly don't care who is right or wrong, this is an edit-war and both of you may end blocked or the page protected. What I am not reading, is both of you discussing why it should be added or removed, or if your reference is reliable or not, or asking for other people opinion. If you continue adding it, or the IP removing it, I will take this to WP:AN3. Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 20:49, 26 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Some of your edit wars[edit]

Just so it's all in one place - here are the reasons why you are wrong to continue to revert in the three articles.

Wikipedia is built upon consensus, not an individual's personal preference (no matter how knowledgeable they are). Feel free to contend these points in a logical way, but simply pressing undo is not the way to do it. There must be 6 or 7 people undoing your edits. Please take the hint and don't waste any more of anybody's time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.175.37.54 (talk) 23:01, 26 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I want to get this whole reverting issue out the way and I'm sure you do too. It's mostly just you who keeps on reverting my edits.
""River Ripple" and "Best of Joy" were going to premier during the tour" - THAT'S the problem right there. That phrase is the bone of contention. You're saying it like it's truth. It's just a rumour with nothing to back it up. Those songs don't appear in the film, an have never been mentioned in connection with TII.
It's not a rumour, it's been confirm. If it was false, I would had remove it myself.
No. It has not been confirmed. If it was, you would be able to use the confirmation as a reliable source. If it's not mentioned on the TII BD, or in the Michael booklet, or any other official source from Sony or the Jackson family, then it wasn't going to happen. Please just leave this issue now.
I'll say this again, I put the sources in for the songs like you asked. It was confirmed.
You seem to have a different understanding of "confirmed" to everybody else. Confirmed means that there is incontestible evidence that proves the song was going to be performed at the concerts. Either a setlist, or some evidence of costumes or a rehearsal.
And again, you keep calling it "the tour", when it is NOT a tour. Touring means to travel around and visit different places. That's why the Dangerous World tour was in a different city every night. TII is different. It stayed in London, and didn't go anywhere else.
Still nothing on this. You have given no reasons for keep calling this a tour.
It doesn't need to be consistent because the guest performers are doing different jobs. "Duet with Siedah Garret" is very different to "Akon remix", which is different to "Guitar intro by Slash". We need to keep the distinction, and that means using the wording as per the album booklets. "Featuring" is just a modern fad, and is mostly just used with dance songs for promotional reasons. It tells you nothing about what the guest performer did.
There is no "Akon remix". If you're refering to "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' 2008" then that's "Michael Jackson featuring Akon". I do keep distinction. Like I said, if a guest performer is just providing backing vocals then I typed "Backing vocals by [Guest Performer]" as oppose to "Featuring [Performer]". Wikipedia, for the most part, is consistent. An example would be how the discography pages are made. If you're going by the album's booklet then it should be "Featuring Lenny Kravitz" since that's what is says in the MICHAEL booklet. Featuring is what used most often now.
In that specific case, the album and single both said "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' 2008 with Akon". Other songs like Scream are listed as duet. Yet more songs simply have a slash or dot between the two names. Again, you're wrong to keep changing this. I said before, Wikipedia is built upon consensus and fact, not on your personal preference. Drop it.
Yes I know that it uses "with Akon" on the single cover but what difference does it makes between "Featuring" and "With"? It's still a Michael Jackson song featuring someone else or someone else's song featuring Michael Jackson. Just stop editing.
Several people consider there to be a big difference between the two terms, and for this reason we should go with what the cover actually says. Since you think there's no difference, why do you keep reverting?! Besides, when "featuring" falls out of fashion and is replaced by something else, are you going to come back and change every page on wikipedia?

If you have any other issues or come up with ideas then say them. EscapeX (talk) 09:15, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"largely similar"?! It's the same concert! The songs are the same and the order is the same and the writers are the same. The only difference is that the DVD has the refreshment break and includes two additional bonus songs from another concert. If you own or have ever watched the DVD, you will know it's exactly the same as the CD, with no difference whatsoever. Sony are just giving you the same thing twice, one being audio, and the other being video.
That's why I said largely similar. It's the same concert but the CD and DVD are not exactly the same. The DVD includes "Bad Groove" and two more songs and all of the songs have a longer length. EscapeX (talk) 20:26, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, they are exactly the same. You're obviously missing something here. They cut the 10-minute refreshment break, and shortened some other parts that were just crowd noise (because CDs are not as long as DVDs). But they are the same concert, the CD is the full thing, and so a duplicate tracklist is not needed. The fact that you have just managed so well to summarise the difference in less than one line means that the same thing can be done in the article. I've made my points to you, and you have not addressed any of them. There is nothing else I can do or say to convince you, so I would recommend that you take a break from editing for a while.
I never said they were different concerts. The CD and DVD are from the same concert but they have differences between them. I have addressed your points but you keep on choosing to ignore them. I would suggest for you to stop editing to end this. EscapeX (talk) 03:22, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, where was that? I missed the part where you addressed anything. If the album had been a "triple play" and included additional MP3 copies of the concert, would you have repeated the tracklist again for that?

List of songs recorded by Michael Jackson[edit]

Hi, I thought I'd bring to your attention a couple of WP policies/guidelines, namely WP:OVERCAT which does suggest that Michael Jackson should not be linked every time his name is mentioned, and WP:3RR which says the continual undoing of some else's work is edit warring and can get you banned/blocked from editing WP. I suggest you start a discussion on the talkpage and see if you can reach a consensus with other editors. I am posting this here because of the overlink issue and have no firm opinion in respect of other matters, or who is right and who is wrong. Cheers. --Richhoncho (talk) 10:40, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion[edit]

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:13, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The IP has commented at WP:ANEW, as have I. Please add your comments to the report. If you fail to do so, you risk being blocked for the slow edit-war.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:43, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit-warring warning on Bad 25[edit]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Bad 25. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Please be particularly aware, Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:

  1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made; that is to say, editors are not automatically "entitled" to three reverts.
  2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Binksternet (talk) 19:49, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked[edit]

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for edit warring, as you did at List of songs recorded by Michael Jackson. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text ((unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~)), but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.

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Before returning[edit]

Could you pls read over WP:OVERLINK.Moxy (talk) 20:06, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I dont want you to get blocked again just for reverting back to overlinks version (not worth it) - so i will highlight the portion of the text that is relevant'

Only warning[edit]

Stop editing and just talk[edit]

BOTH of you need to stop editing the page right now!!! I need to make clear that you were blocked for Wikipedia:Edit warring - not for the content of the edits. Both you and the IP need to talk over edit-waring - we have basic conduct expectations pls see Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. If you guys cant resolve the problem on your own get help see Wikipedia:Dispute resolution requests. Moxy (talk) 08:08, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

February 2013[edit]

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 week for edit warring, as you did at List of songs recorded by Michael Jackson. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text ((unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~)), but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.  ‑Scottywong| chat _ 17:13, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Last attempt to resolve List of songs recorded by Michael Jackson[edit]

Today you made an edit to this article which essentially introduced the word "duet" around 45 times. Almost all of the songs cannot be described as a duet, which crucially is for two singers performing together. This is usually when they both sing parts of the song, often interspersed with each other so that it is as if they are singing to each other. The word is not used for choirs, or when a 10-second rap is added to the end of a song. Wrecks-N-Effect is a rap group, A Brand New Day (The Wiz song) is a full-cast recording, for the song by 3T, the word featuring is better, and USA for Africa and Artists for Haiti were both large-scale collaborations. We must use the right word, and each song is different.

This is very similar to your insistence on using the word "tour" for the This Is It (concerts), which stayed in London. These are English terms which have specific meanings. This can be found on Wikipedia, but also in any dictionary. Accurate language is important, and doing an automatic find/replace operation to make everything look the same is not something you should be edit-warring over. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.175.37.54 (talk) 13:04, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on List of songs recorded by Michael Jackson. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Please be particularly aware, Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:

  1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made; that is to say, editors are not automatically "entitled" to three reverts.
  2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Please reach consensus on the talk page rather than edit warring in article space. Binksternet (talk) 13:10, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring over the name of the Bad tour[edit]

You know, you've been edit warring over this issue since August 2012 when I first warned you. Slow motion edit warring is still edit warring. The name of the tour is "Bad", reflected by the majority of sources shown at Talk:Bad_(tour)#Requested_move_2012, by the general consensus arrived at by discussion there, and by the second move request which you started, but which closed with strong consensus against your preferred naming: Talk:Bad_(tour)#Requested_move_2.

Please respect article consensus or start another move request, this time with convincing arguments. Binksternet (talk) 03:44, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

March 2013[edit]

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 2 weeks for edit warring, as you did at List of songs recorded by Michael Jackson. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text ((unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~)), but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.  Bbb23 (talk) 18:44, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

April 2013[edit]

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for resumption of edit warring and disruptive editing at List of songs recorded by Michael Jackson, which is the same behavior that led to your last several blocks. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text ((unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~)), but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.  Bbb23 (talk) 01:20, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

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Request reason:

Reconsider this block situation. I know I was block for the edit war which I tried to stop again and again. Please understand that my edits aren't not to vandalize an article but to help improve it. I do not edit an article to disrupt it. My intention is always is to improve an article. I'm for one am tired of always having to deal with the disruptive edits of the IP user. I compromised with him but not even that was enough. For instance, when I created the page, the word "featuring" was used (here's the page before the IP user edited it: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_songs_recorded_by_Michael_Jackson&oldid=529802021) but he didn't like the word "featuring" so we got into an edit war over it until I gave in and removed the word "featuring" completely from the article. (here's the page after the word "featuring" was removed: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_songs_recorded_by_Michael_Jackson&oldid=538836683) After a few more edit wars, I redirected the page to end the edit war. (here's the page when I redirected it: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_songs_recorded_by_Michael_Jackson&oldid=551584929) I would rather redirect the article that I created than have this edit war to continue. I will stop this edit war and prevent them from happening again. I'm here in Wikipedia to help improve articles. EscapeX (talk) 02:52, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

I am declining your unblock request because it does not demonstrate how you will stop the behavior that led to your block. However, you may wish to take up our Standard Offer: wait 6 months (i.e. until October 23), and then come back and request unblocking, stating clearly how you plan to edit constructively. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:42, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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