Hi Kehrli, I will support you in the argument that m/z is not unitless, because it clearly is not. People claiming that it is are apparently using a stupid trick whereby they divide the mass and the charge by 1 Dalton and the elementary charge to form supposedly unitless quantities. Idiocy. In that case, we can make anything unitless. Like, we can make my heaight to mass ratio unitless by dividing my mass by 1 kg, and my height by 1 m. What does it accomplish? Nothing. I agree with you 100%. Spectrometrists seem to have had a hard time with units over the decades, inventing such perverse things as the "wavenumber," (cm-1), so this doesn't surprise me that much. Ed Sanville 23:45, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Yo. My name's Corbin. I understand your frustration. Listen, the guys at Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics might be able to help you out with reforming the concensus on this particular scientific unit. Leave a note on the talk page, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Physics, and see if anybody's interested. We have rules here, and they can be a royal pain in the ass sometimes (not unlike Imperial Standard), but as a community we try to be constructive, not destructive. You have a username and you know what you're talking about in terms of knowledge. You can be a part of this grand experiment in creating a commonwealth of information. Drop me a line at User talk:CorbinSimpson if you need help, okay? Happy editing! - CorbinSimpson 04:26, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Ed, Corbin, thank you guys for your support. In some way this is really frustrating, but in another way this is a very exciting social experiment. Look at it this way: we try to fight a misconception that can very analytically be proven wrong. We try to explain this to smart people that should be experts in the field (the mass spectrometrists). If this is so hard, how can you ever hope to fight other misconceptions that can not analyticaly be proven (e.g. in politics) to common people that are not experts in the field? It is kind of frightning. Kehrli 14:14, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi Kehrli, I noticed you apparently singled me out in your criticism of the deletion votes on your article. I can understand your frustration, and I will readily admit that I'm every bit as ignorant of this field as you thought I was.
My own (and I suppose many of the other voters') only reason for opposing this article has been the idea that Wikipedia should not be seen to advocate one thought over another, even if we have knowledgable editors here who are very certain that this thought is correct. Our policy on "Original research" states explicitly:
"An edit counts as original research if it proposes ideas or arguments. That is, if it does any of the following:
Now, you yourself say above that "we try to fight a misconception that can very analytically be proven wrong. We try to explain this to smart people that should be experts in the field (the mass spectrometrists)" - which seems to indicate the idea you are promoting is not commonly accepted knowledge among a significant part of the scientific community. In which case, Wikipedia is not the vehicle to tell these guys what to do and what not to do.
I think nobody would have a problem if you wrote something along the lines of "Many practicioners of mass spectrometry use the unit m/z; however, many other physicists have argued that this is incorrect, and that m/q should be used instead, for the following reasons..." That would certainly be useful addition. It would of course also be a matter of fairness to add why those other guys prefer m/z - surely, they must have some reason for doing so? --Lukas (T.|@) 20:01, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Just wanted to stop by and say that you did a fairly good job on Thomson (unit). It is still a little confusing but I think it isn't too misleading or incorrect. It isn't too much of a leap for the reader to figure things out given teh example. Congrats. One bit of criticism: your PDF link is to Groucho Marx?--Nick Y. 23:46, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the feed back. The article was on Kmurrays web site and he changed it into a Grucho Marx picture. Nice joke!
I would like to invite you to discuss your totally disputed tag on Mass spectrum. Thank you for finding any errors, however you need to point them out for me to be able to correct them. I would remind you again that if you can not backup your claims with specific uses of m/q (Th) in the scientific literature within the context of mass spectrometry it will go nowhere. Please I am waiting for your sources not your interpretation of guidance documents and novel suggestions of what is the best path forward for the greater scientific community. Please act in good faith under the policies of wikipedia. Please stop removing my disputed tags on Thomson (unit) related articles. I am acting in good faith by not editing them but simply waiting for your sources and noting that it is in dispute. I very seriously dispute the content of those articles and have yet to see new sources added and those that are there contradict the content of the article. I have been very patient. I will not engage in an argument with you. Cite your sources and I will cite mine.--Nick Y. 17:04, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Please visit Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Kehrli and participate in our new binding arbitration proceedings regarding Thomson (unit), Mass-to-charge ratio, Mass spectrum and your behavior of removing dipute tags without stating a reason. See you there.--Nick Y. 17:57, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Please do not post warnings for vandalism on Nick Y.'s userpage. I do not believe he has engaged in any sort of vandalism. Rather, from what I have seen in RFA, there appears to be a content dispute.Aranherunar 12:15, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
Hello,
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Kehrli. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Kehrli/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Kehrli/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --Tony Sidaway 19:27, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
you made some recent edits to Physical constant that appears to be based on the same kind of issue you have with mass spectrometry and dimension. may i suggest that you take a look at natural units, planck units, nondimensionalization and some of the lit in physics about this. just as when one counts tick marks (a dimensionless number) on a ruler when they measure length, when we use any measuring instrument to read a physical quantity it was designed for results in a fundamentally dimensionless number. it's in the interpretation of that reading and knowledge of what it uses as a standard to measure the physical quantity, that we attach units to the reading. r b-j 02:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
This case is now closed and the results have been published at the link above. Kehrli is banned for one year from articles which relate to m/z. Kehrli is prohibited for two years from changing the notation m/z, wherever found, to any other notation. Should Kehrli violate any ban placed on him by this decision or engage in substitution of notation, he may be blocked for an appropriate time. All blocks are to be logged at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Kehrli#Log of blocks and bans.
For the Arbitration Committee. FloNight 18:08, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
User:Kehrli/mz misconception, a page you created, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Kehrli/mz misconception and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Kehrli/mz misconception during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Kkmurray 03:41, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
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You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Kehrli for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. Kkmurray (talk) 19:49, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
User:Kehrli/(alpha and m/z), a page you created, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Kehrli/(alpha and m/z) and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Kehrli/(alpha and m/z) during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. --Kkmurray (talk) 01:50, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Article links: User:Kehrli/alpha User:Kehrli/mz --Kkmurray (talk) 01:50, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
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Hi Kehrli, I don't want to get into a content dispute with you or anyone else. I can read here that you have a history of changing content in such a way that you sincerely believe is more correct, but is sometimes disputed (and reverted) by others.
My understanding of the meaning and usage of the term "base units" is that these are the units defined first (chronologically or pedagogically) and get established first and then the derived units come later. I also can understand that different systems of units can have different sets of base units. And there is no real consistency. For example, in SI, the unit speed is not a identified as a base unit even though, essentially SI defines the unit speed first (as c/299792458) and then the unit length is defined from that and the definition of unit time. But SI identifies the unit length to be a base unit, not the unit speed. But on the other hand, SI defines the unit current to be "base" and from that (and the definition of unit time) the unit charge is derived. But most of us are convinced that electric charge is the more fundamental physical quantity and that electric current follows conceptually as charge per unit time.
And the (again) the problem is for different systems natural units, that different quantities (universal and non-dimensionless physical constants) are chosen to define each system, yet, for comparison, the same "base units" are defined in each system so that they can be directly compared.
Now, I am not sure what should be done with the semantics here, but I think we better stick with the convention of base units vs. derived units. Although I understand precisely what you are trying to say. So I plan to change (not just revert) some of what you wrote in Natural units. But I hope to illustrate the point you made. Stay tuned. 71.169.191.235 (talk) 17:53, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
I received the following note on my user talk page:
You were involved in an arbitration a couple years ago. [[3]] A nearly identical behavior and dispute has arisen. [[4]] I was wondering if you could pop in there and try to clearly define the scope and purpose of Wikipedia to Kehrli [[5]] as apparently the outcome of the last dispute and the resulting ban did not make such things clear. To summarize: He/she has chosen a different obscure unit-like scaling procedure and is trying to synthesize a well defined unit based on selective use of a few literature examples in combination with the widely accepted rules of metrology. Very elegant work that might be a good idea, but novel nonetheless, and thus not for Wikipedia. I am not a primary participant in the dispute. He/she has also been going over much of the material that he/she was banned from (for 1 year) and is persisting in the course of action that he/she was banned for now that the ban is expired. I have not been policing these actions and the pages have fallen into subtly novel/POV pages.--Nick Y. (talk) 20:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
I have looked at some of the discussion regarding this matter. As is to be expected, I understand little or nothing of it, but do know that Wikipedia needs to use standard notation. Please identify what notation is currently being used and use that notation. If a new notation is coming into use that is significant and perhaps could be included in the appropriate article. Fred Talk 20:20, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
A request to amend has been filed at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Amendment#Request_to_amend_prior_case:_Kehrli --Kkmurray (talk) 23:08, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
Please participate at Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2010-11-21/Kendrick mass --Kkmurray (talk) 14:56, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
I have 0 fans left. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emerson Collie (talk • contribs) 20:12, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Hello! I have volunteered to help mediate the conflict over the Kendrick mass article. Would you be accepting of this mediation process opening at this time? Cheers, Lord Roem (talk) 06:37, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
You are involved in a recently-filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#Kehrli 2 and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—
Thanks, --Kkmurray (talk) 18:58, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kehrli 2/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kehrli 2/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, AGK [•] 15:16, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Diffs are useful in backing up your points. NW (Talk) 01:02, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
I reverted your recent edits. I don't think that any of the parties in arbitration (myself included) should make edits on mass and unit articles while the case is open. --Kkmurray (talk) 22:25, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, you are reminded not to attack other editors. Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. You are welcome to rephrase your comment as a civil criticism of the article. Thank you. Please stop canvassing and accusing other users of sockpuppetry. Everything you post or say may be used against you in the arbitration. PaoloNapolitano (talk) 09:01, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
An arbitration case regarding Kehrli (talk · contribs) has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedy has been enacted:
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Salvio Let's talk about it! 17:17, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
First off, it's not an "unlimited" ban. You're restricted from metrology-related articles and their talk pages, not from unrelated fields. It is indefinite, in that the ban will only be rescinded after an appeal, and an appeal will only be successful if you demonstrate you've learn from your previous behavior and show evidence of good editing outside the realm of the conflict.
As to the evidence, the finding of fact is drawn from the evidence page and the related discussions, e.g., [6], which I and the other arbs unanimously found that you distorted, selected, or combined evidence to suit your own view about Kendrick mass units, and that you were tendentiously editing to assert that view. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 19:48, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Kehrli --Kkmurray (talk) 16:08, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
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