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I see you are interested in seventeenth-century France and its musicians; I'm quite happy to see you here. (From your website I see that you've worked with William Christie -- love his recordings of this period!) I'm the guy who wrote most of the Wikipedia material on music in France and adjacent areas in the sixteenth century (Josquin, Mouton, Claude Le Jeune, musique mesurée à l'antique, Janequin, etc. etc.) and I'm elated to see that someone is tackling the seventeenth century. Some of our articles in this area are quite weak and could use some expert attention. (There may be a couple of other editors active in this area, but it's been quiet for a while.) Once again, glad to have you here; drop me a note on my talk page if you need any help with anything. All the best, Antandrus (talk) 15:51, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Dear Antadrus: I'm generally busy these days: just happened to have a break for a few days and discovered the really bad Lorraine articles. But I don't have time to figure out the intricacies of communicating with Wiki... Maybe this IS (!!!) the way to communicate with you? But it probably isn't? It's the only "at the bottom of the page" that I could get into! Anyway, thanks for your nice words about my site. When I have free time I'll sit down and figure how to do things correctly. My main concern is this: Someone used French accents on the Lorraine/Guise names, and it's devilishly hard to find those entries in the Wiki search slots. For example, if you search "Sebastien de Brossard" instead of "Sébastien de Brossard" you may or may not find him at the bottom. Any advice? Patricia M. Ranum (talk) 18:15, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
SO: I don't know which works best, so I Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Antandrus"
the following message I left there: "This seems wierd, but I'm following your instructions literally, Antandrus. Maybe the clue is putting message in Edit summary? Thanks for the Redirect info: will try it... Patricia M. Ranum (talk) 18:29, 21 March 2009 (UTC)" And no, I don't think the editing is much worse than formatting books with WordPerfect or producing something at least acceptable with FrontPage (though I've never done HTML markup before...Patricia M. Ranum (talk) 18:32, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Ranumspa: Just dropping by to tell you that I have seen a few of your edits because we happen to work on some of the same pages. I hope you will see nothing wrong with minor changes I brought to Marie de Guise, such as French surnames with *de* not to be translated by *of*, *of* being used only after title in English, and also the delinking of names already blue-linked. It is nice to see someone with real knowledge of the subject being edited. Bienvenue et bonne chance! Frania W. (talk) 01:55, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Redirect So, Antandrus, did I do it correctly for "Etienne Loulie"? No sense in doing more unless I have it right! Patricia M. Ranum (talk) 14:22, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
And how did "Frania" make a new section to this chat? Patricia M. Ranum (talk) 14:39, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Ranumspa, Antandrus was sending the above as I was trying to send what's below:
In order to create a new section, please follow these steps:
Now look below and you will see a new section created. Frania W. (talk) 15:51, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Dear Patricia, I hope you got it! Frania W. (talk) 15:51, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Dear all: I think I have it now!
And for all concerned: I plan to fix that Isabelle/Elisabeth stuff... just haven't figured out what is best: at least I've redirected Isabelle to Elisabeth....Patricia M. Ranum (talk) 16:30, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Bonjour Patricia: RE your battle with foreign prince, look at title of this new section & how foreign prince appears in blue and can be linked to its article. When you do not agree with the way a name or whatever appears in the title of the article you get it from,, copy & paste the title, then write it the way you want it to appear, being sure to separate the two with the vertical wiki mark up. Cordialement, Frania W. (talk) 14:11, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Ranumspa: I do not want to correct what you wrote because you know more about the subject than I do; however, in the following there is something I do not agree with & I'll leave it up to you to change it:
Next, in the Biography section:
To both Grandhautbois and Frania and Antandrus... I have finally figured out why the Guise pages are so wierd. They are based on the French pages, and the person who did them must have been copying from a genealogy where there was a heading "Lorraine" and all the people under it, a bit like an outline. SO: he/she simply omitted the family name all down the outline! It's as if one wrote (under the heading Presidential Candidates) "George H.W., head of CIA" and "George W., owner of football team," and didn't supply the family name! But to find those Guises in any index, be it in English or in French book, 90% of the time you would look under "Lorraine", not under "Guise,": "Lorraine, Marie de, duchesse de Guise" /Lorraine, Marie de, DUchess of Guise," etc. I also figured out how I did the silly redirect for Loulié: I had created the page, got a telephone call, used Explorer to a bookmarked site, and when I returned to Wiki, I arrowed right until I found this sort of screen... and apparently the one I began had gone away and so I published the redirect in the wrong place. I'll be very careful in the future of _that_ trap! Thanks, all, for your patience!Patricia M. Ranum (talk) 13:24, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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I just now replied to "Grande Haubois" (Big Oboe), whose message suddenly was (re)visible to me. But now I can't find the person again under "discussion" or "my talk". And when I click "user page" I get Loulié... is that normal (it's the only page I've created, so probably so?) I feel sometimes like Alice in Wonderland... Down which rabbit hole does one go? ;-)
This is what I believe should be done in order to redirect article on Etienne Loulié to its rightful page:
And while you're at it, when you redirect, replace *Etienne* by *Étienne* with accent aigu on capital *E* *É*, which you will find by clicking on *Latin* in box below this screen where you find wiki markup & other goodies.
I hesitate doing this because I do not want your whole page with discussion to be relocated.
Frania W. (talk) 18:17, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
... you haven't figured it out by now, people are truly happy you are here on Wikipedia, helping make it a better resource! All the best, Antandrus (talk) 00:57, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Dear Frania, I _think_ I have added all the REDIRECTS I can think of to the Guises and Orleanses... and I have tightened a few articles, adjusted the chronologies (it's always hard to see chronologies unless you have worked with the sources, so I'm certainly not being critical of the Anon who did the articles!), and I also corrected some details here and there in the different articles. Sorry that I forgot a few times to show what they were. So now I will stop for a bit and prepare for houseguests --- 2 adults, 2 children, 7 days starting next week. Happy spring to you. Patricia M. Ranum (talk) 19:15, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
...And rest assured that I will _not_ go in and tamper with any of those files, now that I have added the most important evidence on my shelves. There's one thing: Charles, Duke of Guise (Mlle de G's father) had a son named ROGER. He appears in the list, but without a page. I'm not sure he merits one! So when correcting the info in the article "Jean Baptiste Lully", near the beginning, I retained his _father's_ name and simply identified Roger without creating a page for him. If that's not a good solution, you are welcome to modify it.Patricia M. Ranum (talk) 15:41, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
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Dear Frania, for the moment that editing chore has not yet descended upon me, to overwhelm me. I'll be glad to do the "de" Lorraine thing, but I am not sure exactly what you want and where to start and which pages to do. Patricia M. Ranum (talk) 17:52, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
C'est sûr, vous avez du courage! Je suis tout à fait d'accord: Philippe of Orleans, Duke of Orleans, cela n'a pas de sens. Une promesse: Je n'y toucherai point, ni pendant vos retouches, ni après. J'ai tenté d'expliquer le titre "Bourbon du Maine, chez vous; je ne suis pas sûr d'y être parvenue. 'Tis a can of worms.... Patricia M. Ranum (talk) 14:47, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
And how does one change a "stub" to "just about all one can say about a very brief life"? I'm thinking of Louis Joseph Duke of Guise and his son, Francis Joseph (or Francois Joseph, I forget which). Short of going into details about deaths, ... which doesn't belong in an encyclopedia, there isn't much to add to those poor little "stubs."Patricia M. Ranum (talk) 14:57, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks to your previous explanation, this pupil changed the title to desired one! Will do the stubs next. It's a lovely day here... til thunderstorms later in day. Patricia M. Ranum (talk) 14:25, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
You said: "I don't know if the automated message will read my comment. I have owned the engraving for over 20 years so it is not subject to copyright. I'll be pleased to share it with Wikipedia but am not interested in doing lots of formalities. I have a lot of other pictures from my collection, but I won't upload them until I am sure I'm not wasting my time"
Firstly, just so you know: the automatic systems do not read replies. We humans do, but the automatic systems post so many messages...
Next, you've gotten some details confused about the principles of copyright.
Just because you personally own the engraving, that does not mean you own the copyright. It means you own that one copy. If I own a copy of a novel, it does not mean I own its copyright. Copyright typically belongs to the person who created the image (or to the person who paid for the image to be created).
That said, the engraving of Mlle de Guise is perfectly acceptable on Wikipedia, because it is old enough to be public-domain artwork. And we are certainly willing to credit you as the source -- "engraving of Mignard, from the personal collection of Patricia M. Ranum" is what it says now.
As for the other images in your collection, we would be pleased to accept them; make sure to specify the age of the images, and that they are public-domain. DS (talk) 04:49, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Bonjour Patricia! Absolument! In my opinion, if your "hotel" is followed by "de Guise" =ing French, then I'd put the accent circonflexe to read "Hôtel de Guise". As I travel with a pocketful of accents, I'll bring a few to your texts. Frania W. (talk) 15:18, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
As for the Duchess of Angoulême, simply go ahead and remove *in her own right* since you have the best argument/proof that it is not correct. Aurevoir! Frania W. (talk) 16:05, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Hey, welcome back! By the way, thank you for the book; I've been enjoying it! I'll have a look at your article shortly (i.e. when I'm not at work). All the best, Antandrus (talk) 19:13, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
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We set off for our "lost upland" in France in a few days and won't be back til early September. We look forward to the summer and wish a pleasant one to everyone. I will be blissfully computer-less and will have only minimal e-mail: Heaven! Patricia M. Ranum (talk) 13:10, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Hello, thank you for your fine pictures, including that of Marie de Lorraine, Duchess of Guise. If you plan to upload other pictures, please consider uploading them on Wikimedia Commons rather than on the English Wikipedia : the process is the same, but the benefit is huge, since it enables to use the pictures on Wikipedia in other languages than English too, whereas pictures uploaded on the English Wikipedia are restricted to this location only... Bonnes vacances en France. Baronnet (talk) 09:03, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm back at my computer after 3 blissful months during which all I could do was access my email through a neighbor's computer. I'm currently confronted by doing final tweaks on a manuscript I am editing in collaboration with the Jesuits. But the day will eventually come when I can add new materials on the Guise world and Charpentier. ~
I am rusty because I have been away from Wikipedia for a long time, in large part because I have been devoting most of my time to making sense of this discovery. I'll welcome any cleanup you people want to make. And if you think my added material should go elsewhere in the Charpentier article, or should be rounded out, I can easily do that. Patricia M. Ranum (talk) 21:11, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
After many months' absence, I decided to look at the Marc-Antoine Charpentier page and am not sure how to respond the the need for "verification" expressed by Wikipedia at the top of the page. The citations listed at the bottom of the article are all extremely reliable. (I wrote most of them, and each article is full, full, full of archival citations.) So how would one go about providing the "verification" they feel they need? If I could insert footnotes after every sentence, I could prove that the information in the article has been "verified" adequately. But that is pointless! Is this too much of a good thing? I personally think so. Patricia M. Ranum (talk) 18:40, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
I've removed redundant materials, references to books so old that they are full of mistakes, naive remarks, factual errors, etc. I have tried to present an overview of Lully, from Bio to genres and pieces in each genre, with dates and places of first performance, and names of poets-authors. I've added lots of footnotes (can add more, of course!) and some further reading.
One problem remains: the "Media" section, which clearly requires one to be Java-enabled; but since reliable computer people have suggested disabling Java until security leaks are plugged (mine is currently disabled), the section is useless for many people. Also, it looks terrible, visually. In addition, the musical group cited doesn't seem to have anything by LULLY online, so I don't know where the links are supposed to lead. There are so many fine recordings to cite and wonderful YouTube videos. I would vote to have the entire contents of the Media section removed and replaced by whatever Wiki allows: YouTube links, or else links to performances by Wm Christie, Herve Niquet, Emmanuelle Haim, who have done performances of Lully's theater, opera and religious music, with wonderfully awesome results.
I pass the torch to someone who will do it ... or who will tell me how to do it.Patricia M. Ranum (talk) 20:45, 6 February 2013 (UTC)Ranumspa
I think I've just about finished with this article. I have one worry, the REDIRECTS: Initially I wasn't sure how I should handle the spelling options and I tried to use "Goibaud-Dubois" as the skimpy existing page did. But after I had made some redirects, I realized I must move the page to "Philippe Goibaut" without Du Bois... So there probably are some useless redirects out there -- and even worse, that link to "Goibaud Du Bois." But when I try various permutations, they all seem to take me to "Philippe Goibaut." So let's hope.... Patricia M. Ranum (talk) 14:32, 21 February 2013 (UTC)Ranumspa
Hi there, I was looking at the article about Joseph Sauveur and saw that it was largely your work, and then I noticed that you'd recently come back to editing here. Just wanted to say welcome back, and let me know if I can help! -- phoebe / (talk to me) 19:30, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
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