Hey Salvio. I was looking at the RfPP request for Cunnilingus, and I was actually inclined to protect it—there are no productive IP edits in the recent history, and it seems to get the same sort of childish drive-by vandalism every few days—so I'd be curious to hear your rationale for declining it (reasonable minds may differ, after all). TPSs whose eyebrows were raised at the section heading are welcome to comment! ;). Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:44, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Any chance of a 24 hour semi-pp at Kashmiri Pandit? A New York IP is back playing their old tricks with unsourced POV. They're hopping a bit, as in the past. No worries if you are busy - I'll send it to RFPP. - Sitush (talk) 00:10, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! Location (talk) 01:51, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
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Can crap like this [3] please be exempted from the sanction? Darkness Shines (talk) 00:19, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
Please ensure I have properly published this appeal,[5] Advise me accordingly and if you have sufficient time, may I request your participation as clerk? One thing I would like to ask is that I request a stringent determination to uphold the highest expectations of "reasonably, civilly, and with decorum". My76Strat (talk) 07:27, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
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Not speaking as a clerk, now, please be aware, however, that your request is very unlikely to be accepted. And will probably only result in you wasting your time... Salvio Let's talk about it! 12:26, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
You blocked Neolloa999 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) the other day for edit warring. Since then they have created two sockpuppets, 1tisore1 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) and Ewans0 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log), to continue the war, both of which I blocked. Can you review and see if I should be trouted for blocking the puppets, if Neolloa999's block should be reset and/or the page should be semi-protected. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 19:32, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
And no need for trouts : those were two clear WP:DUCKs you caught there. And, for that, I have just increased Neolloa999's block to a week. That said, I don't really have any opinion regarding page protection, so I'll defer to your judgement! Salvio Let's talk about it! 19:38, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
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Hello - please see these comments - I don't know what went into your decision to fully protect the article, because I don't see any rationale posted other than a vague edit summary, but I think protecting for three days is overkill and unnecessary, and not an appropriate action when essentially one editor is misbehaving. In any case, it appears that he has agreed to stay away from this article, so if that was your reason, you really should return the article to its semi-protection, so that long-standing good faith editors can continue improving the article directly. Unexplained full protection is really not right for an article that is high-profile and has over 500 people watching, who can quickly revert any real vandalism. Please change the protection level to semi now, rather than have it play out another two days. Thank you. Tvoz/talk 05:22, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Please see my response at User_talk:Viriditas#WP:AN_notice. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 13:45, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
← Salvio, thank you for the explanation. I understand that admins aren't required to post reasons for taking actions, but I hope you'd see how frustrating it is for good faith editors who have not been involved in a dispute and find the page fully protected without seeing warnings or clear explanation, and how helpful it is for all editors, including those who are creating the problem, to see an explanation posted so that they can understand what is going on and work with the other editors in finding solutions. This is especially true when you are talking about a fully protected page for one of the leading contenders for the presidential nomination in the height of primary season. In my experience as a lead editor of several of these types of articles in 2007-2008 (and also editing them now), full protection was rarely imposed, and if it was, it was clear to all why it was and it was very short-term. Usually problems were dealt with by dealing with the offending editors, or an admin shepherding a discussion to resolve disputes. Fully locking down these pages, in my view, is problematic because of the constantly changing situation and the need to have it accessible for improvements, additions, etc., by editors across the spectrum, to keep it unbiased and thorough. And locking down only one candidate's article creates an imbalance. When I asked the question on the article's talk page, which I think is the appropriate place to start, I was told it was because of one editor's vulgar edits, which would obviously be a textbook case for dealing with the editor, not the page. I only went to AN because there was a discussion going on there about that editor, so I asked the question there. I'm sorry that my tone seemed impolite to you, but that wasn't my intention - I was, and am, quite concerned about the inability to directly edit there, and I hope that you or another admin will step up and delineate the problem and help them work it out - this solution on its own seems hit-or-miss. By the way, I don't at all expect that you'd be available 24 hours a day to respond to such questions, which is partly why I asked it on AN when it appeared that the reason was the one editor being addressed there. I think that if this problem was so obvious and so severe as to require the extraordinary action of full protection, someone else might have given an explanation when the question was raised. So, I'm sorry I offended you, and I hope you can see why absent any clear explanation - especially since you say you were responding to what you say were several minor intertwining edit wars which I did not find to be immediately obvious - I would raise the question elsewhere. I'm hopeful this will be resolved quickly, as these pages need to be open (that is, semi-protected) for editing. Tvoz/talk 19:21, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much for granting my request for rollback. However, I may want to have you remove it.
While its nice to have the rollback option at my fingertips, I have since installed twinkle so to have the flexibility of reverting non-vandalism edits while generating standard edit summary when reverting more than one edit at a time. In other words, what I really was after was to be able to revert to last edit by a previous user (a clean version) after multiple unwanted edits by a single user and still have an edit summary automatically generated in the form Reverting edits by xxx.xx.xxx to last version by Joe Blow with the reverted user linked. I like this common edit summary but don't wish to have to manually type it out myself.
So I have just installed twinkle, which appears to give me this capability, though I have yet to actually try it out. I was under the impression that I need rollback rights to use twinkle. That isn't true though, is it?
Now as for rollback. If I don't need the rollback right to use twinkle, then I don't think I want rollback at all. My reason is primarily because of the "hot" rollback links all over my watchlist and page histories. I am fearful accidentally "rollbacking" someone's edit. I am using a laptop with a touch pad, not a clickable mouse or anything. I also sometimes edit from my iPhone; just the thought of trying that now...well you see what I mean.
Is there a way to confine the rollback links to the diff window only? If not, and if I don't need it to run twinkle, please remove my rollback rights. Thank you--Racerx11 (talk) 03:23, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
In my above post, I meant the hot rollback links all over my watchlist and user contributions, not page histories (there would be only one there, right). Also just to clarify, I will wait for your response before giving you my final descision on removing rollback for me.--Racerx11 (talk) 03:42, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
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That said, this user right is not needed to install and use Twinkle, just to use Huggle or Igloo.
I'll wait for you to confirm that you actually no longer want this flag and, if so, then, I'll remove it. Cheers. Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:42, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
I think the civility enforcement case is the second one where people, aware or not of the rules and/or case closure, continue to post on its PD page. Perhaps in cases which saw a high volume of edits, it's perhaps better to explicitly mark the case talk pages closed and direct future comments at the appropriate ArbCom noticeboard thread. That should result in fewer reverts being necessary, fewer rumblings on clerks' talk pages, etc. ASCIIn2Bme (talk) 15:37, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
You blocked an IP a few hours ago for warring/POV at Arora. They are back as a different IP. - Sitush (talk) 20:30, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Purely for my own information, what is the longest semi-protection of which you are aware? Never mind, I realized that there is indefinite semi protection. JanetteDoe (talk) 21:19, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi, Salvio. I was in hospital (Appeal to pity) from 11 to 21 February, and thus didn't get to follow the closing stages of the Civility Enforcement case. I'm interested, however, and as soon as I got home, I read up on it and spent a long time typing up a comment for the Proposed Decision talkpage. I know it's belated, probably nobody cares anymore, etc (even though it only just closed, and I notice quite a lively discussion of some aspects going on on NYBrad's talkpage). Anyway, it simply never occurred to me that the talkpage might be protected so only admins can post on it. (I, for example, am not an admin.) Are unedifying comments feared, have they already been offered, or wtf? Is this remotely normal practice? The case was closed on 21 Feb, and apparently you promptly then fully protected the PD talkpage — only that one page — giving the reason "The case has been closed". Yeah it's been closed. So? Eventually they all get closed. The Betacommand 3 case was closed on 15 February, for instance and nobody seems to have taken a notion to protect the corresponding page of that (nor any other part of it). And, no other page of the civility case has been protected. Not the Proposed Decision page itself, not Evidence or Evidence talk, not.. etc, you get my drift.
I note the section "Suggestion" above. But you didn't exactly mark Proposed Decision talk "closed" and direct future discussion somewhere else, did you? You acted far more drastically (if I was annoyed, instead of gently sad and disappointed, I would have said "draconically" there) and locked the page down without explanation and without suggesting any alternative venue. As for the suggestion to mark talkpages "closed", even that would be pretty unusual. Pages like "Evidence" and "Workshop" have frequently, as in this case, been marked with a polite request that users not edit them any more (though nobody's actually prevented from doing so). That seems appropopriate. But their talkpages haven't been "closed", as IMO they shouldn't in fact be. (Let alone protected, or, a fortiori, fully protected.
Please unprotect Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Civility enforcement/Proposed decision. I want to post a comment on it. It's a comment on the voting on the PD page, so the page you protected seems the obvious place for it. But if you know of a page that you have good reason to think better for my purpose, please share. Quick action would be appreciated. Regards, Bishonen | talk 01:30, 23 February 2012 (UTC).
I protected the PD talk page for a couple of days, because the case has been closed, so there is no point in commenting on a proposed decision, which is no longer proposed. Protection should expire tomorrow, but I have to please ask to refrain from posting there. If you wish to comment on the case, you should post your message here. As a side note, the workshop talk page was briefly protected by the drafting admin. Best regards. Salvio Let's talk about it! 01:43, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello Salvio, I'd like your opinion on my opinion raised here. You have recently deleted a page and I wonder if I am off track to suggest an admin shouldn't delete their own pages? My76Strat (talk) 03:47, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Elen, to be clear, are you saying there is no conflict with the "irrevocable release of one's contributions" and the ability of a user to delete sub-pages, having no other endorsement? Salvio, you rightfully mention that a significant effort by admins are these kinds of user requested deletions; the distinction is that their request is endorsed, and I feel it is unlikely that you would delete content that you believed was suited for and relevant to the encyclopedia. In fact, what would be a valid reason for an admin to decline deleting s user's sub-page? I do believe, at minimum when an admin deletes their own contributions, it should be flagged to a queue to be endorsed properly. How wrong are these notions? My76Strat (talk) 03:58, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Salvio. Could you please delete User:The Magnificent Clean-keeper/Sandbox incl. the talkpage. I just moved it to a new location. Thanks, TMCk (talk) 17:36, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Salvio. Now that the ArbCom case is over, this can probably be re-deleted, no? 28bytes (talk) 19:23, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Please explain this edit. There seems no attempt to provide any explanation in either the edit summary or on the talk page itself. Is the bot not properly authorised? Andrewa (talk) 06:19, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Hey. Sorry, but why did you reverted my talk page? Cheers — Tomica (talk) 08:52, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
New to wikipedia, but this doesn't seem normal. Adding a few legitimate additions to an entry, and one person keeps changing them/undoing my updates for no apparent reason, so I change them back as I'm one of the very few people with any knowledge and one particular subject.
A user by the name of Backtable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 0ProoN0 (talk • contribs)
Now, if you think the other editor is wrong, start a thread on the article's talk page and try to come to a compromise. Should it now work, you can try Wikipedia's dispute resolution methods, such as opening a thread at a noticeboard or start a request for comments. Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:45, 25 February 2012 (UTC)