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The result was merge to International Cadet Australian Championship. v/r - TP 15:04, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

50th Redlands International Cadet Australian Championship (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

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Per issues raised on talk page, this is relating to a single possibly non-notable event and is of trivial interest only to involved people. ˜danjel [ talk | contribs ] 05:47, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. I am the articles creator of this article aswell as a competitor and state representative to the 50th Redlands International Cadet Australian Championship which the article refurs to. To adress your initial concrens brought up on hte talk page. This is not a school event. This is an indipendant events organised by an indipendant body. Redlands is one school out of many in this huge national event. The only reason their name is in the title is because they payed a whole heep of money to be the major sponseer, as seen in previous years, and as seen in many major sporting events these days. Now on to notability. It, if you have not been to a cadet nationals and have not seen the scale of the event, is very easy to discount it as unnotable. But I assure you it is anything but. Each year the cadet nationals has somwere from 60 - 100 boats, each with 2 crew members, competing and over 500 people involved with the event. For sailing events in Australia this is comparably large and means the event is economicaly significant. Each year both minor and mayor sponsors have got on board with the natinals, each paying a considrable amount of money to do so. The major sponsors at the last 4 nationals have been Redlands, Ronstan, Air Warfare Destroyer Aliance and Cabcharge. But it is not only the sponsors who see the economic significance of the event. Each year local councils pay huge amounts of money in an effort to be able to host the event. After the Port Lincoln Council bidded for the 2008 - 2009 nationals and were sucesfull all rental acomidation was fully booked in the entire city, all charter boats were filled to watch the event and torist sites such as tunna fishing sites and oyster farms got a huge boost in revenue. When a new national champion is crowned they are often quick to get sponsered by a major company, as seen after the recant Melbourne nationals. As you can see the event has econimic significance but it also takes a high priority in the lives of those involved. Competitors will train for six months a year with the primary goal of improving their result at nationals. This can often be in the form of up to 5 training sessions a week with very high quality coaches. The nationals are also seen as inportant by all the hard work and dedication that is put into organising the event. An organising commitee is set up two years prior to the event and the location of the event is often finalised soon after this. Fully paid international judges, race marshals, ambulances, saftey boats, measures, guest speakers, registration officers, caterers and beach marshals all have to be organised. Much dialog goes on between the organising comitee and local authority. The nationals also has importance as it is a qualifier to other events. Each year the top 7 boats are sent to the world championships in places such as Poland, Argantina and Spain. This means this domestic event has big reprocusions on the international stage. The event is also significant as it is a national championship with boats from all across Australia. This means that sailors make the effort to drive across the nation and that the national authority, Yachting Australia, reconises the event. Seeing that the event has been going on for 50 years it means that this event has history and is not just a one off get together. I therefore think that this article is notable as the International Cadet Australian Championship has strong demoghrphic and economic credentials, is placed at a high priority in competitors lives, is organised with a high leval of effort, is a qualifier to international events, is a national leval event and has a long history. N.B. This is my first article and I thought Wikipedia had a "Do not bight the newbies" policy. Sorry for my spelling. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tris.obrien (talk • contribs) 06:52, 12 December 2011 (UTC) — Tris.obrien (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

• Keep I am going to compete in the nationals and I am from NSW. This is a good article. It doesn't just affect a small community. It creates a way to watch young sailors have fun, and do there best, and be a good presentation as they move to higher levels in there sailing life. And by the way, this is not an event just for one school, it is not just for Redlands, it is for all of Australia. Redlands is simply this years major sponsor. They are hardly noted in the article except for in the title were, like in other sporting articles in Wikipedia, a clear precedent has been set. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ossige (talk • contribs) 07:20, 12 December 2011 (UTC) — Ossige (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

• Keep I am also a compettitor for the Australian cadet nationals and agree with the creator that this is a national if not, global event and envolves hundreds of competitors each year. It has signifigent relevence on me and my team and I dont think that this would be an understatement if I said it changed lives. I strongly beleive that it deserves its own wikipidia page since it dose envolve so many people a year and is a majour sailing event. Its not just a school thing, its all of Austrlaia, the schools just the people sponsering it this year and it would really be a waste of time, effort and spirit to close this site. Phenellaphant out! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phenellaphant:) (talk • contribs) — Phenellaphant (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• Comment: Leaving aside apparent issues of WP:COI, I'm a bit concerned about possible sock/meatpuppetry indicated by the recent registrations of the above two users and the fact that their only contribution thus far has been to vote here. ˜danjel [ talk | contribs ] 09:25, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: It is true that these are newly registered users. These are people who personaly cantacted me telling me of how much they liked my new wikipedia article and when I told them it might be deleated they were outraged and demanded to take action at somthing which will help so many. The reason you put this page up for deletion is because you said it was exclusive to the school, which has been totaly disproven. Apart from your remarks at user validility you have no substance. Please tell me why this, in your view, must be deleated, sugest another course of action or please just stop bullying the newby.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tris.obrien (talk • contribs) 09:39, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Reply that it related to the school was one of the reasons, and was in fact the more minor reason against the fact that it seems to be in breach of WP:NOTWEBHOST and WP:NOTNEWS because WP:WPSCH/AG are just guidelines. ˜danjel [ talk | contribs ] 10:02, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Unsourced, uncategorized and just not sufficiently notable. Appreciate marshalling one's mates to turn up and vote against the AfD for their single edit on Wikipedia shows endeavour, but it doesn't imbue the subject with notability. --Legis (talk - contribs) 09:20, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: You say this is unsourced but the article has sourses. You say not notable but I have shown why it is notable. If it is still not please provide your examples. Because I'm new to wikipedia I don't no what uncatigorised means. Insted of telling me to delete the article I worked so hard on please tell me how to improve my article, provide examples of your points or sugest another course of action. Please do not have a go at users who were conserned about a good article, which could be used by them and their freinds, being deleated..— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tris.obrien (talk • contribs) 09:50, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Reply if you genuinely feel that this subject is notable, then WP:USERFY the article, work on it as a draft in your own userspace and then get more experienced editors to review it for you. If you need help with this process, I'd be happy to do it for you. ˜danjel [ talk | contribs ] 10:02, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

New users, welcome. This is a deletion discussion - it is not a vote. Please note that the only really important thing here is, "Is there significant coverage in independent reliable sources" That means, coverage in e.g. newspapers writing about the event, or a trusted, respectable news website. By "significant" coverage, we mean actual details about the thing. The current references do not show that. And that is why it is in danger of deletion. Because this event is in the future, I doubt that there is enough coverage out there; possibly after it has happened, it might appear in some newspapers. But certainly, this Google News search indicates it is not, at this time, "notable". Also, please note that Wikipedia is not an appropriate place to display the results of the event, unless the results are published in a reliable source. It would be helpful if you could read some of our guidelines; the General notability guideline; What Wikipedia is not.  Chzz  ►  12:45, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment It might be possible, perhaps, to write an article about the "International Cadet Class Australian Championship" (or whatever it is called) in general, rather than this one single event; I'm seeing at least some coverage, [1] [2] [3] though of course it is about previous events. And one of the references used [4] is about the previous event, apparently. If there were an article about the actual annual event, then it would probably be fine to just mention the date of the forthcoming event. However, it is unlikley to be appropriate to add the results 'as they happen' - that isn't what Wikipedia is for.  Chzz  ►  13:00, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the above. I think the article should be userfied so that User:Tris.obrien can improve it, and write in those results s/he wants. Shouldn't be a problem to find someone to review it, then move it back to mainspace. ˜danjel [ talk | contribs ] 13:07, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:07, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:07, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I find no significant or extended coverage, only some minor mentions sailing mags and local papers and much of the sailing mag stuff is event listing. Even the links provided by Chzz are "15-seconds-of-fame" stuff. I'm not much of a believer in the philosophy that everything there has ever been a minor newspaper article about should be listed in Wikipedia - Wikipedia is an encyclopedia of notable things, and this does not appear notable. A single paragraph at Cadet (dinghy) (which has a little mention of the world championships for this class) would be more than this event warrants. --ClubOranje^T 19:02, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong delete. fails WP:SPORTSEVENT not to mention WP:CRYSTAL concerns. also too many single purpose votes for my liking. LibStar (talk) 02:08, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Reply You say it fails the sports event test but I quote from the article you refur to, "A national championship season at the top collegiate level is generally notable. A national championship season at a lower collegiate level might be notable." This is a national championship at the top leval. It qualifies into the world championships. As for crystal ball this is not the case as this event starts in less than two weeks time. I can assure you that this event has been planned now for over two years and volenteers right at this moment are setting up the sailing club to host this huge amount of people.

a simple gnews search will reveal zero coverage [5], thus failing WP:GNG, not to mention WP:COI concerns here. LibStar (talk) 05:03, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge the background section to Cadet (dinghy)#Events. I agree that the event isn't notable enough for an article alone, but there's useful material that Tristan has written that could be moved into our article on the Cadet class. --Mkativerata (talk) 08:02, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Strike that. It looks like a better merge target has been found and acted upon: International Cadet Australian Championship. --Mkativerata (talk) 20:54, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge and redirect to International Cadet Australian Championship. After discussions with the initial author, I've created the new article and done a (possibly temporary) merge of the contents. If the article is kept, then I'll happily change that to a hatnote for the section to the main article, otherwise I think the content would be better residing in International Cadet Australian Championship. The event itself is notable - almost by definition, a national championship that has been running for 50 years is likely to pass the GNG, and I think I found enough to establish the new article. Whether or not the 50th event is able to garner enough attention to warrant a separate article is something that we won't know until after it occurs, but if that's the case it can be spun out again in a month or so, or left in the new article if sufficient coverage doesn't eventuate. - Bilby (talk) 02:07, 14 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Great idea. I would be good to keep the page about general cadet championships but then, if enougph intrest is generated, move to having an individual page.Tris.obrien (talk) 06:09, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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