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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 23:26, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- A. F. Blakemore (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)
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Fails Wikipedia's notability criteria for corporations because there is only trade press. There needs to be significant, independent coverage of the subject in reliable secondary sources for this subject to meet the notability threshold. Sure, it has lots of coverage in The Grocer but the grocer is a trade press. I think it should be redirected to Spar (retailer) or erased for it's intrinsic lack of notability. Signal Crayfish (talk) 19:02, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- SPAR retailer is one division within the AF Blakemore estate this page covers the group of companies. SPAR is operated by more than one wholesaler within the UK so a redirect to SPAR would be incorrect and misleading. Bling73 (talk) 18:55, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Satisfies GNG. There is significant coverage in English national newspapers such as the The Times, The Financial Times, The Telegraph, The Independent and The Guardian; in Scottish national newspapers such as The Scotsman and The Herald; in Irish national newspapers such as The Irish Times; by international news agencies such as Reuters; and by the Wall Street Journal. The coverage goes back for a number of decades. It should be obvious that none of these are trade press. In any event, ORG does not actually prohibit the use of trade publications to establish notability; it merely says there is a presumption against it. Presumptions on Wikipedia are rebuttable. Massive coverage in the leading trade publications will rebutt that presumption; and, in this case, the coverage is massive. There is also significant coverage in many books and periodical articles in Google Books, Google Scholar, the Internet Archive and the British Newspaper Archive. There is also an enormous amount of coverage in many local newspapers. The company is very large by British standards. For example, at one point, it was the 580th largest industrial company in the UK (The Times 1000: 1990-1991). It is the largest operator of SPAR shops in the UK. It is more than a hundred years old. It is obviously very important. James500 (talk) 21:30, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment if the multiple reliable sources are added to the page, I will vote Keep. Right now, my own search shows many sources and I think the company is notable and has the good sources. --NiLok223 (talk) 09:11, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:45, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per the comment by James500, they've been mentioned by the Financial Times [1] [2] [3] The Times [4] [5] [6] [7] The Telegraph [8] [9] and the Independent [10] (this is the point where I stopped looking) Not all of them are exclusively about Blakemore, but it is clear and consistent coverage from reputable secondary sources and to me meets WP:GNG. I would also say that the sheer volume of coverage from The Grocer is also an indiction, yes it's a trade magazine, but it's clearly notable from the amount of coverage Blakemore recives in it, especially when backed up with the reporting in mainstream newspapers. Shaws username . talk . 00:25, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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