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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 23:35, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Abinet Agonafir

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Subject of the article is a singer that satisfies no criterion from WP:SINGER and generally lack in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of them thus a colossal GNG fail. A before search turns up nothing of substance. Celestina007 (talk) 00:16, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Celestina007 (talk) 00:16, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. Celestina007 (talk) 00:16, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ethiopia-related deletion discussions. Celestina007 (talk) 00:16, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, what does GNG stand for? As for the article, he's quite well known Ethiopian artist, but as is the case with many Ethiopian artists, there are not many articles in English about them. The demand from abroad comes mostly from the Ethiopian diaspora purchasing their music or visiting concerts.Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 01:36, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dawit S Gondaria, GNG refers to our general notability guideline. AngryHarpy‍talk 05:00, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@AngryHarpy:, Thanks, i expanded the article with the addition of a source, a website in his name https://abinetabagonafir.com/music/ it looks more like a tribute website rather than a official one, so i don't know what Wikipedia policy is towards it. Many Ethiopian artists don't have a website, it's a gray area where savy young opportunist make websites to sell merchandise of a well known, but not recently active artists. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 07:52, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Dawit S Gondaria: sources do not necessarily have to be in English, but they do have to exist. Indeed, the Wikipedia article should be written to summarize what the best available sources say about the subject. If he is as well-known as you say, then it should be possible to find plenty of coverage about him in newspapers, magazines, etc.--Gronk Oz (talk) 14:16, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Dawit S Gondaria, the source you provided above, this one is not a reliable source as it appears to user-generated. See WP:RS. I’m afraid the subject of your article may not be notable just yet. Celestina007 (talk) 14:23, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Celestina007 & Gronk Oz i searched via Bing and the same website did came up as official website >> https://abinetabagonafir.com/ you can book him, and if you scroll below you can find links to his official social media instagram, youtube, facebook, telegram. Seems legit to me. But if that's not enough go ahead and delete it. It will one day probably pop up as is with many other Ethiopian pages. The problem is Ethiopia is 50 years behind in digital environment, most still buy newspaper or magazines, and don't digitize articles, even the most renowned artists like Bahru Kegne(Ethiopian stature equivelant to American Louis Jordan) or Kassa Tessema have very little exposure on search engines, and therefore have no pages. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 16:23, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Dawit S Gondaria: sources do not have to be online. If there are newspaper articles about him, that is a good start - whether they are digitized or not. But his social media don't contribute to notability: anybody can create those and say anything. Wikipedia is interested in what other, independent sources have said about him. It does not need to be in English, and it does not need to be online.--Gronk Oz (talk) 00:26, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Gronk Oz: Okay that's good to know, because there a lot of non-english/Amharic sources about Ethiopian artists. Question, how do you provide reference/confirm verifiability to a source when asked for? Do i then just upload the non-English article/text on wikipedia? I do have some about other artists. Unfortunately I don't have the specific magazine for Abinet Agonafir at hand. I'm going to reach out to him on his social media and email, and ask if he can direct us to a independent website that can confirm his accolades/achievements on national charts, If that's not a issue per Wikipedia policies? Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 10:50, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Dawit S Gondaria: There is a description of how to cite non-English sources at WP:NONENG. Basically, the most important thing is just to put the details of where you found the information. If it is a newspaper article, provide the author, date, article title, page number, and the work (the name of the newspaper). I like to use the ((cite news)) template, but if you prefer you can just type out the details.--Gronk Oz (talk) 12:45, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much @Gronk Oz: for your guidance on this matter. As for Abinet Agonafir page, i have reached out to him via social media(facebook & instagram messages), i will also be sending him a email. Don't know how long it takes for him to reply, if he does reply. What to do with this page? Delete it and create the page again when independent sources are available? Or wait for reply? Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 18:40, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Dawit S Gondaria: That will depend on the outcome of this Deletion discussion. The Administrators might allow some time to improve the article before deciding. Even if they do delete it, you can request to have a copy put into your user space so you can work on improving it.--Gronk Oz (talk) 01:37, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Gronk Oz: Oke, while i'm waiting for a reply from Abinet Agonafir. I also requested assistance @ Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 08:14, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 18:04, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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