The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. I'm discounting the opinions by unregistered editors and very new accounts for what I hope are obvious reasons. Among the remaining opinions there is consensus that this is not a notable subject and the content is pretty much useless.  Sandstein  05:15, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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No reputable sources prove that the technology meets any of the extraordinary claims on the page. The article was created by and is being maintained by Gordon Stove, who is connected with the company that owns the technology. There's also a notability issue here, as no sources seem to be seriously discussing the technology. The whole page is, in essence, an ad for Adrok's proprietary technology. Corbomiteo (talk) 03:49, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As I said on my talk page, the claim that ADR can penetrate miles of solid rock would be a good starting point. Or the idea that photons can be "conditioned" to pass through materials that they ordinarily wouldn't be able to pass through. The article dances around the point a bit, but ultimately insinuates that ADR can be used to identify pretty much anything. That's a pretty spectacular claim that ought to be supported by some sources not affiliated with Adrok. Corbomiteo (talk) 11:04, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:11, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, Atomic Dielectric Resonance started as an empirical measurement made by my father, Dr G. Colin Stove, in the summer of 1997. This was later patented in 1999 (afetr stringent demonstrations and due diligence with Patent Attorneys). It is a physical measurement of resonating electromagnetic beams of low power energy(mainly in the radiowave and microwave part of the spectrum) and capturing the returned resonating beams from an object under investigation. Initially, these measurements of dielectric permittivity, enegry, frequency and phase were collected in a close-ranging propogation setting imaging objects 1 to 2m away from the transmitter. We then worked on greater transmission distances and acheived depths of peentration through the ground of 90m and then 1400m in the year 2004 (this was witnessed and later reported by the Univerisity of St Andrews, Scotland). We started commercially providing a service using our Atomic Dielectric Resonance technology for geological surveying in 2007; whereby we successfully identifed the presence of thin gas filled sand layers in the ground at depths of up to 750m (which was corroborated through subsequent drilling with our client Caithness Petrolem). Since that time, we have conducted a number of field surveys imaging geology in the ground and providing what we call Virtual Borehole readings to our clients. In 2011 one of our existing clients, Teck, a large multinational Mining and Energy company, invested $5million in our company following conducting a number of field and laboratory tests on our technology, as well as substantial due diligence on our company and technology. As a company and as a serial-inventor, we will continue to push and test the boundaries of science and technology to continue to develop new technologies and theories to help with geophysical exploration and the finding of hydrocarbons and minerals vital to the world’s health and welfare. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gordonstove (talk • contribs) 06:24, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My posts were in fact only minutes before your instant message to dismiss my newly added references - which was clearly not enough time for you to search and find the references. One of the thrid party references is located in a reference library in England, UK and can only be accessed upon written request to the librarian. So you surely could not have had the time to conduct a thorough reading review of all of the new references listed on my page. Your continued claims that the third party articles mentioning Atomic Dielectric Resonance "fairly briefly" are completely unfounded. As for your identity, I continue to honour the fact that it should be up to you to be brave enough to reveal who you really are and disclose to Wikipedia your conflicts of interest. As for my certainty of your identity, you will be receiving a letter in the next few days - you can let the world know when you receive it. Kind Regards, Gordon Stove, Managing Director, Adrok — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gordonstove (talk • contribs) 17:31, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

For my part, I find that the new references are not adequate to demonstrate notability...some mentions in trade journals is neat but marginal. But actually I am more concerned about the fact that the article is written as an advertisement and contains no valuable encyclopedic information. They describe hundred-year-old techniques as if they were miraculous new inventions, rather than fitting them into a bigger picture. They discuss advantages in a misleading and exaggerated way without mentioning disadvantages. They give product details that could not possibly be of interest to anyone except customers and potential customers. If the article were rewritten from scratch in a neutral and encyclopedic way then I might be willing to overlook the marginal notability. But everything that's there right now should be deleted.
For company people here: I have nothing against Adrok and would consider them if I ever needed geological remote-sensing someday. They seem to have good engineers doing good work. I would not have any problem with the text of this article if I saw it on your company website rather than on Wikipedia. And by the way, not having a Wikipedia article will not hurt your business ... quite the contrary, you should prefer that the first google search result for ADR returns your company website, which you totally control, rather than wikipedia, which you can't control. --Steve (talk) 18:13, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Keep - why is the deletion of this page carry with it such fervour? Surely a concerned wikipedian would merely create and Article for Deletion and then allow the community to lobby one way or the other? I suspect ulterior motives in the frantic focused effort to remove this page. Atomic Dielectric Resonance is a Phenomenon of Physics - granted, a not very well known one but a phenomenon none the less and with time industry will recognise it for what it is. Many other disciplines of physics use resonance as a form of imaging, nuclear magnetic resonance for one. Any new discipline will always incur a certain skepticism by conventional thinkers as I certainly was no different when I first encountered ADR. As a geophysicist, the first question was how does this defy skin depth equation as the term 'penetration' conjures concepts from classic EM theory and Maxwells equations. Not wanting to futher exacerbate clearly what is not an intellectual discussion, I would merely recommend the higher ground and ask Corbomiteo to please recognise that his/her comments for deletion of the page have been noted. I would recommend anyone else who is interested in the 'unusual behavior of photons' to read Richard Feynman's works in Quantum Electrodynamics for which he won a Nobel Prize. RapidGeo (talk) 18:41, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I have been following discussions on this page for a few days now, after a friend at Schlumberger (a multinational oilfield services company) brought it to my attention. The claim that radiowaves or microwaves can travel further distances when emitted from a directional, collimated source is indeed possible. This is why NASA and European Space Agency (ESA) have been able to produce images of Martian rocks with their MARSIS experiment (which sent EM waves several kilometres). Or how WiFi signals can travel further when emitted from a directional antenna than from an Omnidirectional antenna. The use of QED theory is also valid. Electromagnetic waves have been measured to penetrate rocks underground by many other companies, such as Statoil, EMGS, Exxon-Mobil through their use of CSEM technology in the oil industry. Overall, I think that the Atomic Dielectric Resonance page should be kept to keep the general public informed of further developments in its technology evolution. I note that Teck (a large Energy and mining multinational) has invested and backed the technology - perhaps they will also contribute to the wikipedia knowledge base in the future. From a business viewpoint, I think that Gordon Stove (as Managing Director of Adrok, whom uses the technology) is quite right to defend this page and he has conducted himself very professionally in the above talk section. Please keep Atomic Dielectric Resonance alive on Wikipedia. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philchristie(sbl) (talk • contribs) 07:29, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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