The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:17, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bashu nationalism (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Mainly notability and verifiability. POV article based on a single source with little English language coverage findable apart from WP. Also, if the article survives AfD, it may need to be renamed. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 08:38, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politics and China. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 08:38, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Found a relevant discussion at Talk:List of active separatist movements in Asia/Archive 1. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 08:43, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete POV and non-notable. As a native Chinese speaker, checking the Mandarin Chinese WP page and online sources show that this is not a movement in any real sense, but one hypothetical nation out of many as part of one person's fringe concept of balkanizing China. The single main source on the page (titled China’s intellectual dark web and its most active fanatic) makes that clear, but the WP article makes no mention of its marginal online-only presence and its position as politically "extreme" for its "racial theory and shaky history". Even if these POV issues were fixed, it would just reveal how the topic is non-notable. A page on Liu Zhongjing, the main proponent of the ideology, would make more sense, although an article was created on him and deleted for NN a while ago. --LatakiaHill (talk) 21:54, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Pinging Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bashu nationalism participants: Noob282 (talk · contribs), Abcmaxx (talk · contribs), AAAAA143222 (talk · contribs), Bearian (talk · contribs), and 4meter4 (talk · contribs). Cunard (talk) 09:49, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete This was what I was trying to say when originally nominating this article for deletion, because even the terms "Bashu nationalism" and "Basuria" usually have no results besides Twitter accounts with strange maps about balkanizing China most of the time if it is related to this topic.

Noob282 (talk) 10:01, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Rename to Basuria Nothing has changed from the 1st AfD other than the article has been gutted by single-purpose or random user accounts. The key is to improve the article and perhaps protect it, otherwise we set a precedent for other controversial topics; remove enough citations over time and it will get deleted. However this seems to be more of a hypothetical and fringe theory rather than an established movement so Basuria would be a better title. Abcmaxx (talk) 06:55, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  It could be renamed to Auntology too (the nickname of the ideology according to this SupChina article^[1]) AAAAA143222 (talk) 10:01, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I still lean delete because a hypothetical and fringe theory at this scale seems undue weight, but renaming it to either the broader ideology or to the founder works too I think. LatakiaHill (talk) 01:02, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, because there's almost nothing (reliable sources) about the topic. If not, it can be renamed or merged with some page. AAAAA143222 (talk) 21:54, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or rename to broaden the scope?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:18, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as it does not seem to meet GNG. The sources currently in the article consist of:
  1. A map with no indication of reliability or independence as far as I can see.
  2. An article from The China Project about Liu Zhongjing, which mentions his "Basuria" proposal.
  3. An article from the Hong Kong Free Press about Liao Yiwu which briefly mentions his hope for Sichuan independence in the context of his "dream...that China splits up into 10 or so countries".
  4. A Yahoo News article about Yu Jie which briefly mentions Sichuan independence in a list of other independence movements, but does not say anything else about it.
  5. A Radio Free Asia interview with Liu Zhongjing which has the hashtag "Bashu independence" but doesn't say anything else about it in the text (I haven't listened to the audio).

Essentially we have only one substantive source (The China Project), and even that one is really about Liu Zhongjing overall; it's not focused on his "Basuria" idea. The sources that are not about Liu have brief allusions to Sichuan independence but not significant coverage. Some other sources have been removed from the article in the past for being unrelated to the subject.

The best hope of finding a notable topic here seems to be Liu Zhongjing, who is covered a bit more in RSs – but even the article about him was deleted a few years ago. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 14:47, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.