The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The major rewrite of the article and recent opinions offered since the additions give me assurance that deletion nomination concerns have been addressed. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:56, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bat phone[edit]

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I used the PROD process to propose this for deletion and it was reverted. I'm taking this to AFD as the next logical step. My PROD comment was: Several topics merged together as WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. No independent reliable sources to provide WP:SIGCOV. Jontesta (talk) 05:04, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Jontesta (talk) 05:04, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Comics and animation and Technology. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:07, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. I am not impressed by the PROD summary used. If one doesn't have time to look for sources, we could consider redirecting or userfication, but the current article fails WP:GNG and arguably, WP:OR. It's a WP:TNTable mess, even if any sources are found (my BEFORE didn't yield anything useful). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:53, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep This is now a case of WP:HEY after the ongoing improvements by Cielquiparle: The term as used to describe real-world phenomena is clearly derived from the comics version, so I don't see a WP:SYNTH problem there. And despite statments to the contrary enough secondary sources have been found for a referenced non-stubby article. Daranios (talk) 11:34, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to hotline, which has a lot of shared info. The hotline article can mention how it is sometimes referred to as a "bat-phone" after the Batman creation. But, I feel like this article attempts to claim that all usages of a hotline emerged from the bat-phone, partially through SYNTH. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:27, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I have taken care to only reference articles that have explicitly connected the term/concept "bat phone" to modern usage in other contexts, in order to avoid WP:SYNTH. The only source that does not specifically make the connection to "bat phone" is The Encyclopedia of Comic Book Heroes (which I cited to get the most accurate detail about which issues of the original comics said what), but all the other sources covering the comics explicitly discuss the connection between the original Hot-Line in the comics and the "Bat phone" in the TV series. Cielquiparle (talk) 09:23, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  (Expansion still in progress.) Cielquiparle (talk) 09:36, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per the claims that were made by @Daranios:. --Rtkat3 (talk) 20:47, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as all the unsourced passages and OR have now been deleted, and multiple reliable sources have been added to the expanded article for Bat phone, clearly establishing notability per WP:GNG. Although there is some historical overlap with hotline, in reading about this topic, it has become clear to me that "bat phone" and "hotline" are also distinct topics that should be addressed separately, as the cultural meanings for both have diverged quite a bit (the biggest difference being the "public" nature of "hotlines" today vs. the "private" nature of "bat phones"). Cielquiparle (talk) 05:04, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.