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The result was delete. As a failure of WP:V. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 08:55, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Wuzhou[edit]

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Another unverifiable article on a Central Plains War battle. Two sources provided are a Taiwanese book which appears primary source and what looks like a self published website, which supposedly contains the battle (although I could not find it while searching its Chinese name from zhwiki). Neither of these sources count towards GNG. I also checked some RS books on the Central Plains War and could not verify the occurrence of this battle. It's not mentioned on Central Plains War article, so should not be redirected. b uidhe 12:28, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. b uidhe 12:28, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. b uidhe 12:28, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 12:59, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I’m not able to check Chinese sources but take it on trust that the nominator has searched thoroughly, so this must be a hoax or some greatly exaggerated minor event. Mccapra (talk) 17:31, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment See also this [1] deletion discussion. Sam-2727 (talk) 18:17, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~ or Draftify In reply to a perfectly reasonable assumption, this is not a hoax or minor event, but a considerable battle. Deletion guidelines say "Articles that are in bad shape – these can be tagged for cleanup or attention, or improved through editing."

We also say Don't bite the newbies which appears to apply here. The [editor's history] shows January 2020 creation, and work and progress on several related articles. Editors have offered help in meeting guidelines, and the editor should follow them on sources and notes.

I searched WorldCat for the source, which is probably a local reprint of 美軍顧問團史政處編纂 United States Military Assistance Advisory Group in Taiwan (1967). 中國現代軍事史主要戰役表 Zhongguo Xian Dai Jun Shi Shi Zhu Yao Zhan Yi Biao. Taipei.((cite book)): CS1 maint: location missing publisher (link).

To be sure, this is not as big as Battle of Waterloo, but there are a few hits here and here to show that there actually was one. ch (talk) 18:38, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

CWH, Thanks for your comment. I already found those sources during my BEFORE search, but they refer to a battle in May or June. The article seems to be about a different battle, which it states took place in January. b uidhe 00:49, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

BuidheThanks for following up and for your original nomination. I have now looked both at this and the other articles in the Central Plains War category and do not want to discourage good work, but now see the problem. As far as I can tell, they are translations from the ZH Wiki. Zee money, who is an experienced editor, and Jackson767, who is relatively new, have done the initial work and might want to comment on how they plan to expand these stubs and why they should not simply be part of Central Plains War.ch (talk) 18:01, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:30, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Even if the battle is mentioned somewhere, the article lacks footnote citations, and might contain WP:OR. Since no verifiable sources have been presented, we have to consider WP:V. At best, I can see this being draftified. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:01, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Unfortunately, I have been unable to find that much significant coverage. Koridas (Speak) 18:24, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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