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The result was delete. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 04:11, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Capture of Kishangarh Fort (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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I cannot any information about this battle in reliable sources. The article has been tagged for citations since December 2011. The one book that has been cited has an incomplete citation and can't be found anywhere. Kautilya3 (talk) 00:27, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Human3015^TALK  00:45, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep It does appear that Pakistani forces captured the fort mentioned. Here is one Indian excerpt from a brief search only, I shall add more later:

In Rajasthan, some inconclusive skirmishing took place which had no effect on the main battles. The Indian 11 Infantry Division captured Gadra and Dali and some Pakistani posts, while the Pakistanis captured Munabao railway station and the old fort of Kishangarh.

— (Krishna, Ashok), India's Armed Forces: Fifty Years of War and Peace, p. 67)

Mar4d (talk) 07:39, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Passing mentions like this are not enough to establish notability. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:11, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nominator. In its present form it needs supporting references to establish notability, Mar4d and TopGun can improve the article while this nomination is here -- in that case I will revise this vote at end of week. --AmritasyaPutra^T 12:21, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep.Wikibaba1977 (talk) 13:07, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wikibaba, you have not provided any valid rationale for your !vote. AfD is not referendum or majority vote or democracy, here articles gets deleted or kept on the basis of policies. Your !vote seems WP:LIKE.--Human3015^TALK  21:07, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

capture of Kishangarh fort can be found in following books/paers

• Ayub, soldier and statesman: speeches and statements (1958-1965) of Field Marshal Mohammad Ayub Khan, president of Pakistan & a detailed account of the Indo-Pakistan War, 1965 by Mohammad Ayub Khan
• My version: India-Pakistan war, 1965 by Mohammed Musa
• Story of Indian Aggressions Against Pakistan by Khalid Ghaznawi
• India's Armed Forces: Fifty Years of War and Peace By Ashok Krishna
• Pakistan Spotlight International, Volume 1, Issues 1-7 1966 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikibaba1977 (talk • contribs) 05:12, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wikibaba, there has been vast literature available online on India-Pakistan conflicts and relations, can't we find single online reliable source giving details of this incident? Whatever books you are mentioning does they have detailed description of this incident or just passing mention? In vast online Indo-Pak literature we are not finding any detailed description of this event, so it does not deserve separate article despite this event was really happened or not.--Human3015^TALK  05:51, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Internet is not the end of this world. HIAS (talk) 20:44, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: I did not find much reliable sources regarding this battle. Some people are saying it was really happened, but I really question it deserves special article or not. It can be mentioned in parent article of 1965 war, don't deserve separate article. Mar4d wrote the sentence, that can be added in parent article if verified. Making separate article is WP:UNDUE. --Human3015^TALK  18:06, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Fails to meet WP:GNG. - Kautilya3 (talk) 20:11, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - No results other than this article. D4iNa4 (talk) 06:23, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:EVENTCRIT. It doesn't meet WP:GNG (so there's that), but it also doesn't appear to be an event that has a lasting effect or a significant effect - not even a significant impact on the outcome of the 1965 War between India and Pakistan or something similar. Hence, this article fails WP:EVENTCRIT. ~Oshwah~ ^{(talk) (contribs)} 06:43, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: It has significant effect on Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 because it lies over 10km inside india. HIAS (talk) 20:04, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Are there any reliable sources that discuss such significance? - Kautilya3 (talk) 21:04, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Significant topic, which I will try to improve in the next week, please do not take a decision till then. Furthermore, @Kautilya3 why the multiple votes? Being the NOM it is kinda greed upon that you are going for a delete. Putting your vote in the section seems kinda bad faith to me, so please remove it from the section. TY. Regards FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 03:21, 9 November 2015 (UTC) Note: An editor has expressed a concern that FreeatlastChitchat (talk • contribs) has been canvassed to this discussion. [reply]

@FreeatlastChitchat: This is not election, at least provide some reliable sources which are describing this event in detail. You want to improve it next week, so better we can userfy it, you prepare your draft and submit it to WP:AFC. Thank you. --Human3015^TALK  04:14, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever man. I don't want to start a discussion with you, cuz everytime we talk, your feelings get hurt and you run off to ANI, where you are told to grow a thicker skin. My comment is meant for the admin who will look at this debate. So there is absolutely no need for us to "bicker" at present. I am sure that keeping this on wiki for the next week is not going to cause any undue problems. Regards FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 04:28, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your comments are not only canvassed but also not policy based, we are simply asking to provide reliable sources. This is not majority vote.--Human3015^TALK  04:58, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: its unreferenced content says it was part of the "Desert Sector" (Rajasthan sector?) of the 1965 war between India and Pakistan. If this larger sector of the conflict does not have a dedicated article (the sector is mentioned only briefly in the main Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 article), I can't see how having a dedicated article on an incident within that sector can be justified, even if it can be sourced. The incident would, when properly referenced, be perhaps suitable for inclusion in a future dedicated article on that "Desert Sector" part of the conflict or worthy of a mention in the main article. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 13:55, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Merge any verifiable and properly sourced info into Indo-Pakistani War of 1965. This event lacks significant coverage in multiple reliable sources independent of the source, per WP:GNG. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 22:47, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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