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The result was Keep. Eluchil404 (talk) 05:03, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Computer!Totaal[edit]

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Contested redirect for a magazine of questionable notability. No significant claims of notability. Google search on "Computer!Totaal" shows only 254 unique results, but none significant coverage - a lot of trivial or directory mentions, primary/related references, or mentions from unreliable sources. MikeWazowski (talk) 00:59, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If I remove the quotation marks from your search string I get 2.2 million search results (this may vary of course Google.nl probably will find more results than Google.com (which automatically redirects to Google.nl if you search in the Netherlands)). S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 19:11, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 03:56, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Netherlands-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 03:56, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This is the largest ~~(or perhaps second-largest)~~ Dutch computer magazine. I get 1.4 million Google hits, so I think you did something wrong there.—Ruud 10:11, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I fixed the link and updated the results, but no, I did not do "something wrong" - check the link. MikeWazowski (talk) 11:01, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Clearly Google is broken. I get many relevant results in the query without the quotation marks that are not included in results of the query with quotation marks. —Ruud 11:04, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - Clearly you don't like the results - removing the quotes (which adds in separate mentions of both "computer" and "totaal", and not the specific phrase) still only tops out at 477 unique results - and again, very little of that is significant coverage - I'm seeing a lot of trivial and/or directory mentions, download links, and many unrelated mentions. MikeWazowski (talk) 16:56, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      - This is the most widely read Dutch computer magazine and you'd be hard-pressed to find a Dutch IT worker that doesn't know it. It's notable. I'm not really interested into those results as they only demonstrate your (lack of) search skills. Fore example, did your query manage to find these [1] [2] pages at the National Library of the Netherlands? —Ruud 17:48, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      - MikeWazowski, you are misunderstanding the Google results in a way that clearly demonstrates why counting Google hits is a bad idea. When presenting results a Google web search first truncates its findings to the first 1000, and then eliminates duplicates, so you will never see more than a thousand results listed. Your method of counting finds only 219 hits for "Wikipedia", so Wikipedia must be even less notable than Computer!Totaal. Phil Bridger (talk) 15:36, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:00, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep One of the most well-known computer magazines in the Netherlands. Enough evidence that it's notable, see above. S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 18:21, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - How can a magazine with circulation approaching 100,000 be non-notable? --Kvng (talk) 17:58, 27 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The Dutch-speaking people participating in this article all understand and claim the importance of the largest computer magazine in the Netherlands (and Flanders?). The non-Dutch speaking people participating in this discussion are unable to appreciate the iimportance of the magazine for a population of approximately 27 million Dutch speaking people (in the Netherlands, Belgium, France, Germany, South Africa, Suriname and the former Netherlands Antilles). I ask the non-Dutch people to reconsider their own expertise on the subject and refrain from editing this page if they don't have the expertise they need to contribute to this entry. Obviously, not speaking the language doesn't always mean that you can't contribute to this entry, but I believe one should be an expert in the paper magazine publishing industry or another relevant field if one is going to contribute to the subject of Computer!Totaal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xtalkprogrammer (talk • contribs) 00:51, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I might prefer a secondary source for the magazine's circulation, but there is a valid claim of notability (largest/most significant computer magazine in the Netherlands) supported by a reliable source. IMHO, the article should be expanded and improved, not deleted. —C.Fred (talk) 00:57, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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