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The result was KEEP. postdlf (talk) 22:54, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Deepside Deejays

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Prod contested (by the creator, who of course is a single-purpose account), but why, exactly? Where are the independent sources, and where is the evidence that any of the WP:BAND criteria are met?

To give just one example of the dubiousness of the claims made, we are told that "Beautiful Days" was a #1 hit in Romania (in 2008 or 2009). Well, according to the List of number-one singles of 2000s in Romania, that's simply not the case. So if we're to even consider keeping, WP:V needs to be met for the article's text. - Biruitorul ^Talk 15:51, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ I've just added three refs but I leave it to others to assess their worth as sources. Mark^Dask 19:30, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- A sale page for a CD, a YouTube video, and a forum post are textbook examples of what does not constitute a reliable source. So I'm afraid your "references" are pretty worthless as sources, and notability remains unproven. - Biruitorul ^Talk 21:38, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Fair comment - I've removed my Keep. Mark^Dask 22:56, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Romania-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:27, 26 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:27, 26 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - appears to fail WP:BAND, unless better coverage in independent sources can be provided. Robofish (talk) 01:04, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. A YouTube video is not a reliable source but there is nothing to prohibit citing the content of the uploaded video, namely the MTV Romania Music Awards which show that this band won a national award. illegal link The claim to winning the award passes WP:N. My guess is that there must be other Romanian sources verifying this, but just the MTV one is sufficient. Blue Rasberry (talk) 08:52, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't make much sense. The video (uploaded by the band itself, I might add) isn't a reliable source, so its contents can't be cited or used to verify anything, period. (As WP:SOURCES says, "base articles on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy".) A reliable, third-party, published source demonstrating they won some award would at least be a starting point for a discussion of their notability, but that hasn't been forthcoming in the 10 days since this discussion began. - Biruitorul ^Talk 19:02, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The YouTube video is not a reliable source and its contents cannot be cited. The content of the video shows a homemade recording of the Romania Music Awards in which the Deepside Deejays win an award and collect it on stage, but this is totally irrelevant. The reliable third-party published source is the official televised video of the Romania Music Awards. This video is not a YouTube video, and I have not actually seen it, and I do not know where a copy can be seen. But in the same way that I WP:AGF that when someone cites a book or article which is not available online, I am going to assume that this video wherever it may be is also legitimate. I just added an appropriate citation to the article. Does that make more sense? I think that this satisfies WP:V, and I think the award and other article content already more than satisfies WP:N. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:52, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If anything is mentionable, it should not be from a youtube source. The argument about AGF is contrived: the policy works on and for wikipedia editors, not for youtube uploaders - there is no requirement, indeed there can be no requirement to AGF on how videos are uploaded on youtube, no matter how natural it may seem to the naked eye that the Deejays actually received that award. If it's just mentioned on youtube, it doesn't exist. For what it's worth, youtube video or no youtube video, I was able to track down a tabloid article (which looks like a reprint of MTV's PR, btw), which does mention the DDs as award winners. Whether this validates the article or not, I don't know - I get a sense of nausea just at the notion that I would be digging up the sources on kitschy Romanian bands. Incidentally, I find WP:BAND (in general) way too permissive. Dahn (talk) 23:09, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Supporting kitschy Romanian bands gets Romanian kids interested in Wikipedia where later they edit other articles. Be proud of yourself. This band is big in Romania.

The source you provided is for the 2010 awards and I added your link as a reference to the article. I totally agree with you that anything from YouTube should be discounted entirely. What I am not discounting is that a Wikipedia user has made a claim that in 2009 the article's subject won a major national award for music performance and that anyone can verify this win by reviewing the award results, which were published nationally in Romania. The citation is for the award show, and not for anything from YouTube. Even if the 2009 citation is disputed the 2010 link you provided seems like a solid verifiable indicator of WP:N. Blue Rasberry (talk) 07:50, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Alpha Quadrant ^talk 18:31, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J04n(talk page) 22:47, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – I'm not sure if anyone clicked the "Find sources – news" link at the top of this AfD, but it leads to a long list of potentially reliable third-party sources. This and this and MTV all seem to say (I'm using Google Translate) that they had a #1 hit in Romania (and Poland and Tunisia). Other coverage includes this interview with the group, coverage on Apropo.ro, and more. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:10, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, but tag for lack of references. I'm willing to give this the benefit of the doubt and suppose that this could be supported by the articles that are not in English. -MrFizyx (talk) 18:52, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and tag for better referencing. With respect to the youtube video, it probably isn't a good source for the article, however, we are not trying to source the article here at AFD, we are trying to determine notability. The youtube video is evidence of notability, and indicates that sources (probably in Romanian), are likely available. -- Whpq (talk) 16:25, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.