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The result was keep. Materia; presented during the AfDestablishes clear ntoability, as judged by the consensus. And I agree, meets thee GNG, meets N:book, and a full NYT review of anything has gnerally been accepted as showing notability (whether a brief note there shows it is much more uncertain, but this is a full review). I'm a little surprised at the nom saying they countn't find that source. DGG ( talk ) 07:35, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Divergent (book)[edit]

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Contested PROD: Newly, no evidence of notability. Non-notable author. I looked through book notablily requirements and can't see any criteria that would apply. Suspect this has been deleted before. Eeekster (talk) 20:15, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:21, 11 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Non notable book, only recently published, and supposedly first of a trilogy. Unknown author. No significant coverage anywhere.--Dmol (talk) 21:36, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Please don't delete- it's an up and coming book. Not trying to advertise, just getting it out there if someone's wondering about the book because there isn't much on it. This is important to the encyclopedia for this reason. There needs to be information about it that people have easy access to. Isn't that what Wikipedia is for? The sharing of information? Also, "The book has been the subject[1] of multiple, non-trivial[2] published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself.[3] This includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries and reviews. Some of these works should contain sufficient critical commentary to allow the article to grow past a simple plot summary. This excludes media re-prints of press releases, flap copy, or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book.[4]" This book fits this criteria. See the following links to these sources with Divergent as the subject (these sources are not affiliated with the book in any way: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/15/books/review/young-adult-books-divergent-by-veronica-roth.html; http://www.guardian.co.uk/childrens-books-site/2011/oct/10/divergent-veronica-roth-review?newsfeed=true. These are 2 sources, with the definition of multiple being "more than 1" (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/multiple) World English Dictionary (Collins) multiple (ˈmʌltɪp ə l) — adj 1. having or involving more than one part, individual, etc: he had multiple injuries OR Medical Dictionary (Merriam Webster) mul·ti·ple definition Pronunciation: /ˈməl-tə-pəl/ Function: adj 1 : consisting of, including, or involving more than one < multiple births> — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slagestee (talk • contribs) 03:04, 14 October 2011 (UTC) — Slagestee (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
• Delete as per Slagestee. "up and coming" means not notable. "there isn't much on it" means not notable. Edward321 (talk) 23:56, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete fails WP:GNG.Stuartyeates (talk) 02:37, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Should I just delete and save the code for when it becomes more notable? Slagestee (talk) 14:26, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You may be interested in WP:USERFY. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:28, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Sure it's a new book, and the article is badly written (not encyclopedic), and the author is an WP:SPA. But take a look at the references! It has been reviewed by the New York Times and the Guardian. (Oops, the Guardian removed that review as plagiarism. [1]) Not to mention Entertainment Weekly. Seems like some reliable sources have taken notice. Not bad for a first book, and one in the often-underreported Young Adult genre. --MelanieN (talk) 23:07, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Has significant coverage in The Star (Malaysia) [2], The New York Times, Entertainment Weekly, The Hollywood Reporter, Ballina Shire Advocate, and The Wall Street Journal. --Odie5533 (talk) 12:58, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep While I definitely have some WP:CRYSTAL issues, but the sources are notable enough that I don't see any reason to delete an article that will almost certainly be recreated after the book is released. Trusilver 22:43, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The book actually was released, on 5/3/11.[3] --MelanieN (talk) 03:48, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, absolutely right. I was reading that same source but for some reason I read it as being next year. That's enough for me to knock the 'weak' off that keep. Trusilver 04:23, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I have cleaned up the article, eliminated the fluff and added references to some of the reviews mentioned here. --MelanieN (talk) 04:26, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I just noticed that the "Summary" section is a copyvio, lifted verbatim from many pages[4][5] and probably from the book's blurb. Should it be deleted, or tagged, or what? --MelanieN (talk) 14:54, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I just removed the section until it can be rewritten. Copyvios need to be removed as soon as they are noticed. Trusilver 15:51, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, causa sui (talk) 17:25, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - Topic passes WP:GNG with sources currently in the article— [6], [7]— and these sources:
  

• "Summit Signs Scribe for 'Divergent' Adaptation (Exclusive)." The Hollywood Reporter.
• "Book review: Divergent." Ballina Shire Advocate.
• "The Scary Future, the Embarrassing Past." The Wall Street Journal.
  

Northamerica1000^(talk) 02:38, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. A NYT review plus the other things should be enough. NA1000, are you going to take credit for this one too? Drmies (talk) 04:04, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Cited reviews are far more than sufficient to demonstrate notability. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 15:31, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep A Google news archive search for the title of the book and the name of the author reveals 26 results[8] The New York Times one at the top, plus other reliable sources which cover it. Please follow WP:BEFORE. And those that said it didn't meet GNG, in the future please actually check before just saying that. It doesn't take long to find sources for things like this. Dream Focus 16:26, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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