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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:18, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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This person is not notable by the criteria at WP:POLITICIAN. Hoffman is the candidate of a minor political party with no previous political experience. No other notable criteria are asserted in the article. Cmprince (talk) 18:13, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• keep no sources mentioned, could not find any on google either. In light of new sources--Patton123 (talk) 10:18, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Do Not Delete sources have been included, and recent polling data shows that Hoffman is statistically tied with the Democratic Party nominee^[1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by T0llenz (talk • contribs) 02:51, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak delete If we follow WP:GNG, there is significant coverage in at least one local paper--if there is another such news article, he meets the requirements. Actually, in any local election, if we carefully look for local sources that may not yet be in Google News, we can probably find them for every serious nominee. I could certainly find them for each of the 4 people running in my city council primary district and many other NYC districts, and certainly for all citywide primary candidates. I don't intend to, for I do not think most of them are notable by any reasonable standard based on accomplishments. We have a choice: redefine notability to include a much wider range of people in local affairs, make a special provision about locally known people regardless of coverage, or greatly alter the GNG to say that no degree of coverage in local papers counts towards notability. The GNG was established before Google News Archive became as broad as it is now--and certainly did not plan for the much greater future scope. DGG ( talk ) 19:40, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. I did a cursory search for online news articles. In about 10 minutes I found four articles from independent sources, which articles provide significant coverage of Hoffman:

1. Washington Times
2. Gouverneur Times
3. The Press Republican
4. NY Daily News

Each of these sources has a reputation for fact checking. These were easily found, in addition to the already cited articles.

The article does, however, need some cleanup and wikification. Artemis84 (talk) 02:17, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to New York's 23rd congressional district special election, 2009. The standard for political candidates, which still makes sense to me, is that to get a standalone biographical article they need to either A) be notable without reference to their candidacies or B) win the election. Until such time, they should be covered in our article on the relevant election(s). GRBerry 18:15, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. The proposed references support widely notability Rirunmot (talk) 21:18, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 13:32, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. -- - 2/0 (cont.) 18:29, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. -- - 2/0 (cont.) 18:29, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep- Borderline on notability, but seems sufficient.--Amadscientist (talk) 23:16, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Notability is sufficiently established, and supported through independent sources. --Tdl1060 (talk) 15:55, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep---third party candidates in NY State win a fair number of general elections: see James Buckley and the D.A. in Albany County. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.84.135 (talk • contribs)
• Keep - for all the reasons set forth above by others. There is national media coverage on this race that relates to the subject of this article. If this article is merged or deleted, the Wikipedia article on the Democratic candidate for the same office--who also has no prior political experience--should, in fairness, also be deleted.208.105.149.80 (talk) 19:49, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Article reads and provides solid citation for a political candidate with local impact within a US State. Aramova (talk) 20:54, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.