The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was based upon the lack of signifigant coverage. (It's worth noting that unsupported statements are typically given very little weight by closing administrators.) Delete. Aaron Brenneman (talk) 02:10, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Elctrikchair[edit]

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• Delete no notability shown for this band. albums not on important label. touring lacks coverage. band lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. Hail and Horns may be good but others aren't, inclusion on a Terrorizer's sampler cd is not significant coverage. nothing satisfying wp:music. last afd closed no consensus with leave to speedy renominate due to lack of participation. duffbeerforme (talk) 10:59, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 20:17, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep with all do respect this is the thrid time you nominated this... there is plenty of coverage there is sources on this band the terrorizer comp has an article on page 3 in the october issue of 2010 there is a mini write up of the band and hails in horns did a full page spred. being listed on billboard and mtv,com gives it legitiamiacy sorry you have have to be signed or in the register in stores to get that. This is a troll keep nominating this over and over again it was defeated give it up! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slayer8899 (talk • contribs) 09:25, 22 July 2011 (UTC) — Slayer8899 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  
• Keep As I had stated before: In addition to Hails and Horns, I think MTV Networks and Billboard are fairly reputable, and Terrorizer did write about the band, giving a third party opinion in addition to the band being on the CD. I see no reason to delete this article. Many Oarfin Records releases are on Wikipedia, as are many independent releases, including Trent Reznor's recent work. Labels aren't really relevant players in a band's notability anymore. I think this article perfectly satisfies wp:music.BusyWikipedian (talk) 19:05, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  

As I had stated before in reply to your first Wikipedia edit, MTV and Billboard are reputable but they haven't written anything about Elctrikchair. Inclusion on a Terrorizer sampler cd is not significant coverage. duffbeerforme (talk) 10:45, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The band Elctrikchair has been around since 2003. n. . It would be sillly to hate on a band just because they aren't in the public's ear 24/7. I personally have seen multiple videos online of this band and they have their own website that has legitimate distribution and sells. I feel it is silly to find this band "not notable" as a legitimate band. — Preceding unsigned comment added by StoneFilmmaker13 (talk • contribs) 05:20, 23 July 2011 (UTC) — StoneFilmmaker13 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
• Delete - Fails WP:MUSIC, period. Band hasn't gained in notability since the article was previously deleted by consensus. May need to be salted. --| Uncle Milty | talk | 20:37, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

reponse uncle milty youre stating an opinion with nothing backing up anything you are saying with MTV Networks and Billboard being a player in this unfortunately notability is there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slayer8899 (talk • contribs) 23:54, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:52, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete With all due respect to the editors wishing to keep this article, the only reason it wasn't deleted last time was because there was virtually no participation. Let's go through the sources on the page, one at a time:

• Terrorizer magazine - Appears to be an extreme music magazine with limited circulation. Not an ideal source.
• Maris The Great interview - The About Page reads, Who The Fuck is Maris The Great!?] and he also seems to be another artist in extreme music. The source isn't exactly ideal in terms of its independence of the subject.
• Metal Archives listing - This is just a discography and listing. This doesn't provide evidence of notability as needed by WP:NMUSIC.
• Hails and Horns magazine - Does not appear to be a notable magazine, perhaps of local interest only.
• MetalWarrants - Is a deadlink.
• Interview with Electrikchair - This is a blog entry, and WP generally doesn't accept blogs as evidence of notability per WP:BLOGS.
• IndyFest - This doesn't even mention the band, just one of its members who left.
• Billboard and MTV listings - Being listed on Billboard is insufficient. No awards have been given for the album, it has not charted, and it is just a listing on a notable website. That's not significant coverage of the band. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 06:26, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Music Industry News Network - This is a very brief source. I also note that news can be submitted to the website for free, which means the info is probably not independent. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!)

Therefore, because these sources do not fulfill the needed requirements of WP:NMUSIC, I am recommending this article be deleted. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 06:26, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

With all do respect from a series of admins that are 16 years old who play Nintendo all day(lol). Using foul language in this debate proving that the children threatening to delete this page is irrelevant. In response [jetherbolt] for one Maris the Great is an international interviewer and obviously you haven't looked at the bands he has killed(which is how he does his interviews) and is published in [Hails and Horns Magazine]. You discredit Hails and Horns when it is an international publication. There are several bands on here who list billboard and mtv as sources and none of them have an article written about them but yet that's ok. Even is a source is breif its still has legitimacy. I noticed this band is targeted I can see that. All the sources listed do meet WP:NMUSIC ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 06:26, 28 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slayer8899 (talk • contribs) [reply]

• Comment. Can't give a real vote, as most of the sources are on sites that are blocked from my workplace, but thought I would offer some information anyway. No one is claiming that Elctrikchair is not a real band, or that the information is false in anyway. Nor should it be inferred that they are not notable among heavy metal fans. However, if you look at notability strictly from the position of Wikipedia inclusion, there are guidelines to meet. While MTV and Billboard in themselves are fully notable, being merely listed on those websites does not automatically grant notability to the subject. Having independant third-party write-ups specifically on this band on those websites, however, WOULD grant notability. Unfortunately, I do not have access to the Terrorizer article. However, I do not see why that would not be allowed as a reliable third-party source. It is a publication with a circulation of about 12,000 with a specialty in this genre of music. →^Jog_Con← 22:15, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

While I am in favor of keeping this article, I am a bit upset to see juvenile retaliation against those opposed to keeping it. I do want to mention that I have seen Hails and Horns on the shelves at Barnes and Noble. Terrorizer is considered one of the biggest authorities when it comes to extreme genres of music, as JogCon has pointed out it has large circulation. I've personally seen it at Barnes and Noble and it was readily available at Borders. The IndyFest link does in fact use the band's name, which is mentioning it, for that matter mentioning someone leaving a band is still mentioning said band. The link happens to mention the album being released around that time, discusses the genre of the band, and where the band is from, in addition to other details about the band. Maris the Great is a notable figure in extreme music as well, and seeing that he is not a member of the band he is independent of the entity Elctrikchair.BusyWikipedian (talk) 07:56, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - just because a subject was deleted in the past doesnt mean they/it cant become notable....passes WP:MUSIC,--BabbaQ (talk) 14:19, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• No, it doesn't. I hate to sound harsh, but all of your AfD !votes seem to have the worst possible rationale. I just scrolled back through a bunch of them, and they mostly consist of "it's notable" or "it exists". Please don't just say it passes WP:MUSIC if it doesn't.--Yaksar (let's chat) 18:49, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Being of different opinions is not a reason to Wikipedia:Wikistalking someone. Im not saying you do but it starting to smell bad. sorry.--BabbaQ (talk) 19:17, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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