The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete - although there are a number of keep votes, a significant number of the arguments used in favour of keeping the article have been shown to be either false or unverifiable. There are allegations that at least two of the keep votes are the same person. Thryduulf 00:52, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural nomination because a user has disputed whether a consensus existed to turn this into a redirect the last time we got into the whole York Region thing. The user has not only violated 3RR over it, but has registered new sockpuppets to keep reverting even after being blocked. Thus I'm asking for a new consensus: is this a keep, a delete, or a merge into Vaughan municipal election, 2006? No vote from me since this is a procedural nom, but I will say that I'm really not too clear on how we can consider unelected municipal council candidates notable enough for WP inclusion, when the very same city's actual incumbent councillors haven't been able to pass the AFD bar. Bearcat 23:18, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as nn. If he gets elected, it can be recreated. Ardenn 00:05, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete not notable. Probably still not notable after being elected, imo, but let's save that argument until later. Bucketsofg 00:18, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Does not meet WP:BIO criteria; specifically, Political figures holding international, national or statewide/provincewide office or members of a national, state or provincial legislature. OhNoitsJamie^Talk 00:48, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above. —GrantNeufeld 02:31, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete New information has come to light that the writer is making things up. See the article talk page for evidence. -- pm_shef 02:33, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • This "new information" was produced by you, Pm_shef, the son of Alan Shefman, opponent of Frankl's in both the 2004 election and this upcoming election. I know we should assume good faith, but have you no shame? Skycloud 02:52, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep What makes him notable is not his former candidacy or his present candidacy, but his notable role in hockey and business. Looking through google, I found him to be a senior member of the Hall of Fame administration: http://www.ihhof.com/aboutContact.htm

• The company he started and currently leads, Sports Rep Marketing, has a very impressive website and over 260 hits on google. See: http://www.sportsrepmarketing.com/

• And he's hardly and up-and-comer; he started his business in 1997. Skycloud 02:46, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Now Pm_shef removes content from the page, even though an AfD is going on. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php title=Elliott_Frankl&diff=45796929&oldid=45771301 Speedy keep! Skycloud 03:14, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• 1) I deleted content that was PoV and unencylopedic. 2)Please note that User:Skycloud is a suspected sockpuppet pm_shef 03:18, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete nn. --Khoikhoi 05:40, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy Delete all Vaughan councillors and councillor wannabes per consensus that was reached in extensive previous discussions. Luigizanasi 18:54, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as per Skycloud -- Leotardo 20:50, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete nn city council candidate. --maclean25 01:32, 30 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy Keep Very notable person aside from the municipal election, I just watched Frankl as a guest on the TV show Insights representing the City of Vaughan, very knowledgable and intelligent person. This article should be expanded. Frankl being a successfull business man and serving on the Board of Directors of an international organization warrents an article in its self.--Eyeonvaughan 01:51, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Once again, as discussed on the Article talk page, there is no evidence of Frankl being on the IHHF Board of Directors, thus does not meet the verifiable requirement of Wikipedia. pm_shef 02:02, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy Keep per eyeonvaughan --JohnnyCanuck 02:18, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Per what Eye_on_Vaughan stated. Also, I just received some interesting news about pm_shef and the reasons to why he is so anti-Frankl. Besides the obvious of course. Now I'm going to go make a T-Shirt promoting world peace. Who knows, the mayor may give me an award for it. 69.198.130.82 16:55, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Please note that the above comment constitutes a thinly veiled attack on my character in violation of WP:NPA, as well, User:69.198.130.82 has only made edits on this page, the Vaughan Watch AfD and user pages involved in this dispute. pm_shef 17:09, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Actually, I used to be user:70.29.239.249. I have been on here a couple months. I have made posts on other topics. 69.198.130.82 17:16, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The article itself is very good, it just needs some wikifying and some gramatical help. VaughanWatch 00:24, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Moe ε 02:48, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Notable person. --Jon Calla 03:53, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note above user Jon Calla made his first edit on this AfD, and all of his edits thus far have been on similarly controversial AfD's. pm_shef 04:26, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note above user Pm_shef is the son of the main opponent of Frankl's, Councilour Alan Shefman, and all of his edits thus far have been on similarly controversial AfD's and articles related to his father. - — Preceding unsigned comment added by FirstandOnlyEdit (talk • contribs)

I can't quite see what Princess Alice of Albany, Shania Twain, Paul Simon or Art Garfunkle have to do with the elder Shefman. Pm_shef's contribs. Samaritan 16:39, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nor Desmond Morton, Marshall Rothstein, McGill University or Canadian Alliance of Student Associations, for that matter. And again, I repeat to the anon contributor: you are to can the ad hominem attacks on pm_shef immediately. Frankl's notability or lack thereof is to be discussed on his own merits; the question of pm_shef's identity is irrelevant to the process. He didn't nominate the article for deletion — I did. So cut it the hell out. Bearcat 00:40, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.