The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Even putting the sockpuppeting issues aside, none of the keep comments advanced any policy-based opinions. See WP:ILIKEIT and WP:OTHERSTUFF for more information. --jonny-m t 04:00, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Frankie Loscavio

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A jack of many trades who has failed to achieve verifiable, third-party notability in any one of them. The article was created recently by a Single Purpose Account. Possibly self-promotion. And may be associated with self-promoter Tymm Hoffman, whose article is offered for deletion below, and who tried to insert himself into the Frankie Loscavio article. Qworty (talk) 09:07, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Not notable. No coverage in independent, reliable sources. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 09:17, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - all Google throws up is www.loscavio.com, frankieloscavio.blogspot.com, www.loscaviomedia.com and the like. Looks like promotion, probably self-promotion like the one below. JohnCD (talk) 14:43, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep - this is not self promotion it is historical regarding the sport of rollerblading. The people mentioned in this article where also influential professional aggressive skaters who helped create the sport of aggressive rollerblading. I did some checking and can some one please tell me how FL Studio is on this site and not self promotion amongst many others I have found. I am simply trying to document the history of aggressive rollerblading. I think you may be assuming you know about this history when in fact you don't and based on the searches returned in google how are you supposed to know this since you have never participated in this historical movement? - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/is-something-fundamentally-wrong-with-wikipedia-governance-processes/2008/01/07((Frankie Loscavio|65.83.231.100)) 20:03, 25 March 2008 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.83.231.100 (talk • contribs) 21:03, March 25, 2008

Keep - I think anything regarding the history of a sport is relevant - just because you guys can't find it on google doesn't make it irrelevant. — Tymm.hoffman (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. 20:08, 25 March 2008

*Keep- I was a pro skater for Skatepile.com and Frankies contribution changed the way we handled our culture and commerce in rollerblading. Since Frankie has left our sport, there is not another online shop that has been able to replicate the simplicity and consistency of Frankie design and marketing.— Kingdirty (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. 20:21, 25 March 2008

- [citations needed] STYROFOAM1994^talk Review me! 22:11, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Article seems very promotional and the subject does not appear to satisfy the guideline WP:BIO. Edison (talk) 20:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep - I've been a professional rollerblader for over 10 years now. Frankie Loscavio is a pioneer of our sport, and has set some of the ground work for what has become known as rollerblading today. As a valuable part of our history, I don't think there should be any discussion in reguards to deleting this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.152.163.219 (talk • contribs) 23:19, March 25, 2008

Delete per the above rationales of the people I agree with. STYROFOAM1994^talk Review me! 22:07, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Does not meet WP:BIO. JetLover (talk) (Report a mistake) 22:09, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep - Would you pull the Dogtown Boys and Tony Hawk out of skateboarding history? Of coarse not. This is a solid piece of rollerblading history. Plus, there is no benefit for him to self advertise, as he is retired from rollerblading and skatepile has changed owners.— 24.152.163.219 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

- Tony Hawk has received media coverage; this perso has not. JetLover (talk) (Report a mistake) 22:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have started a sock puppetry case involving this AFD. JetLover (talk) (Report a mistake) 22:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I am not a sock puppet. The comments above reflect the voices of other REAL skaters in this industry and I am offended that this process has gone this way. I would like to know who if anyone wanting this post deleted actually know anything about this topic. I also would like to know if this is how every article is judged? This seems to be a very elitist process and founded on pure speculation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Milkshoes (talk • contribs) 23:46, March 25, 2008
- We are basing this on consensus and notability and a bunch of other things. It is not elitist. Plus, you don't have evidence that those other accounts are "REAL" skaters in the industry. STYROFOAM1994^talk Review me! 22:50, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

*Comment - Then how can a page like this Tony Stokes be allowed? Did he contribute to the foundation of football industry like I did for the rollerblading industry? Appears not based on the historical data displayed on your wiki. I am really astonished at this process. What will allow this post to be accepted? I recently added a new reference and there will be more to come and yes from REAL people like the ones commenting before me. I'm not sure how to be a part of this club but in all fairness I was only trying to state historical data here. But maybe Tony Stokes knows something I don't? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.83.231.100 (talk • contribs) 00:02, March 26, 2008

Tony Stokes does not promote himself and he has a good number of credible references. STYROFOAM1994^talk Review me! 23:12, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Anyone considering this for deletion please watch this as this is a monumental and historic video in the industry of aggressive rollerblading: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5mYeNXh45Y&feature=related. This was also added as a reference as well. Other credible sources will come. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Milkshoes (talk • contribs) 00:10, March 26, 2008
- That's not really credible. STYROFOAM1994^talk Review me! 23:12, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The best thing you can do is to find reliable sources, i.e. those that have a reputation for editorial fact checking, that are independent of Frankie and address him and what he has done for rollerblading in some detail. The youtube clip isn't a credible source. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 23:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

*Comment - I will get those reputable sources to post soon. ie Daily Bread Magazine. Atlanta Journal and Constitution, Cherokee Tribune, Video Groove Magazine and so on... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.83.231.100 (talk • contribs) 00:37, March 26, 2008

OK. Good quality, solid referencing are what's needed. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 23:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This man is an absolute legend in Rollerblading. You aren't going to change Wikipedia into the Britannica. Let Frankie Loscavio has his stake in something that is rightfully his. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WestonAldridge (talk • contribs) 01:21, March 26, 2008

Are there any reliable sources so prove this? JetLover (talk) (Report a mistake) 00:35, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Possible Hoax If Frankie really were "an absolute legend in Rollerblading," then Googling his name with rollerblading should produce more than 23 measly hits: [1] And of those few hits, the overwhelming majority consists of Wiki mirrors, personal blogs, and one YouTube video that has the word "Hoax" in its name. I think we have objective reason to doubt whether Frankie was ever involved in rollerblading at all. Certainly we have established that he is in no way notable in the field. In fact, if anyone has evidence that this article constitutes a WP:HOAX, I would be all ears. Qworty (talk) 00:49, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep - Frankie Loscavio is one of the original professional rollerbladers. Just search google for Frankie Loscavio Rollerblade and you'll see for yourself. The sport of rollerblading is so young and niche, that a lot of early innovators like Frankie don't get the credit and coverage they deserve. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.224.22 (talk • contribs) 02:31, March 26, 2008

I don't see any reliable 3rd party sources. They are all just personal pages. STYROFOAM1994^talk Review me! 01:42, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I would like you to recruit an expert on the subject. Someone who wiki knows is a "Valid Expert". Get Arlo Eisenberg to comment since you have already approved him on this wiki and he is good friend with Frankie. However maybe you think it's a spoof still even after that? I think the comment above about the word "hoax" being in the name means this data is a hoax is an insult to the industry, the people who made the "Hoax 2" skate video and everyone else who participated in that industry changing video at the time, and I feel that that comment makes a mockery of this forum for historical data entry. As for the search results does SEO or engine placement or totals mean that this history never happened? Not at all. Milkshoes (talk) 01:58, 26 March 2008 (UTC)Milkshoes (talk) 02:01, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It did happen, but I don't think you're getting the point. We're saying that the history is not notable enough as it never came out in major 3rd party presses. Also, it is discouraged if one writes/supports an article about his friend, namely Arlo and Frankie in this case. Please see above for more information. STYROFOAM1994^talk Review me! 02:10, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Per Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Archive/March 2008#User:Milkshoes, it looks like User:Enigmaman has struck out the !votes and comments by sock puppets in this discussion. -- Kesh (talk) 02:28, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. This could pretty much be closed as Delete. Enigma ^message 02:54, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.